Feds "accidentally" drops the hogs leashes leading to the violently hilarious barnstorming of the Capital as a means of both redirecting popular opinion on gutting police budgets and giving the State a convenient escape route from actually having to tackle its internal contradictions by utilizing these dipshit maga lead paintsniffers as a perfect scapegoat to not just justify keeping the militarized policestate but also expanding it
With many things in the US, it just seems like a conspiracy because all parties involved have the same fundamental interest: fucking over the domestic and international working class
Same reason why corporate media will coalesce around certain narratives, even in cases where there is no top-down direction to do so. It's an alignment of interests, and a filtering out of people who do not support those interests.
eh, making it some huge conspiracy theory to overlook the chuds just being dumb chuds ain't good analysis imo. the right are allowed to go wild, look at the Cuba intervention rallies vs BLM, they just let these guys go wild because they don't threaten the status quo of capital. they also didn't need an excuse, this is the united states and joe fucking biden here, they were going to increase militarisation of the police regardless.
Don't forget that a lot of these right wing groups are full of informants and agents. Proud Boys and The Base are two good examples. Feds definitely knew about 1/6 and some of their informants/agents were involved in planning it. Seems to me like the FBI has started using some of the same tactics they use with "Muslim extremists", ie actively facilitating and encouraging terrorist acts. This is pretty clear in that Michigan Governor kidnapping plot where a bunch of the guys involved were working for the feds.
I think that they knew and they let it happen, but I don't think that they sat down and planned this as some huge fed op to bring about pro cop discourse is more what I mean
Think what you want but a lot of the people running these right wing groups are literally feds and paid informants. Would they put these people in these places of power and not direct their actions to some degree? That wouldn't make any sense
It's "if you do exactly what I say, that's good, and if you do terrorism above and beyond what I ask of you, I can also work with that."
agent provocateurs are a known thing ofc, but they tend to escalate what is already happening than direct and start shit. I just don't think that directly raiding he US Capitol building is in their interests if they want arrests, which is why they have cops in these organisations, or on some grand scale to rally public opinion. they could have just had people fight cops in the street and gotten that s too. I think that this was shit that got out of hand, and was allowed to get out of hand because chuds are not a real threat, that the establishment and the media are now milking. but conspiracies of some huge operation? I don't buy it, especially when you think how many feds and cops are chuds themselves and know this makes the right look bad.
Agent provocateurs don't start shit? Isn't that what provocateur means lol. Someone who initiates shit? Also, hate to break it to you but they don't have feds in these orgs to get arrests. They are there to guide these groups in ways that are beneficial to the feds and the state at large.
From the chuds I know (most of my family, yeesh) they don't think 1/6 made them look bad. They think it's cool
I disagree with this analysis.
While it’s technically true that the ruling class will militarize their police guards no matter what, stunts like this are important to normalize expectations / adjust what the citizenry will tolerate. We’ve all see how much hay they’ve made about the riot; it’s a great pretext to put copaganda slop in front of audiences. Imo it’s little reductionistic to say “oh the cops will be supported regardless” when their funding / propaganda is part of an ongoing campaign that we can see and analyze.
It helped to shift the narrative from pro-BLM to a pro-cop one. Remember all those sympathetic stories of the cop who was allegedly beaten to death with a fire extinguisher, but who actually died from a stroke because he had to strain himself so hard to resist the urge to join all the off-duty cops that were there rioting? The riot is doing a lot of work to normalize surveillance / police overreach and to me it’s absolutely worth a discussion of who’s using it and why.
I think this just shows the media establishment using 6/1 not that the feds caused it, which is what I am saying is a bridge too far. chuds are allowed to go around and chud it up, it then gets used in the media to further fight the left and the new powers are weaponised against people of colour. but don't be so naive that Biden, the guy who created the American police state, was ever going to go along with BLM, ofc he was going to fund the shit out of the police. Biden was never going to change anything, this just let him sell it easier. just because it let him sell it easier does not mean the feds conspired to let this happen or planned it is all I am saying though
saying the feds caused it is a bridge too far
If I were you I'd think long and hard about why you believe this is the case. Is it because it sounds too sinister? I don't know what happened on 1/6 with any certainty but if the government could plot Operation Northwoods then I don't think plotting 1/6 is beyond the pale. They could have just let it happen, but a plot has to be considered too.
I don't think it's too sinister, the US inteligence services have done so so much worse, and will in the future. I think it's a bridge too far in how esoteric and abstracted from the individuals just being chuds who were allowed to get away with shit. sometimes a chud riot that is allowed to get away with too much is just a chud riot that is allowed to get away with too much. the state has more avenues to get what they want than us jumping at shadows creating plots of what really happened
I think it’s a bridge too far in how esoteric and abstracted from the individuals
How was the Capitol riot esoteric and (un)individualized? It was planned openly on social media. I don't understand your point.
that's not what I mean, I mean this conspiracy takes it away from the realm of boomers and chuds on facebook who planed it and into this idea of dark backrooms, and obfuscates the involvement and desires of those chuds on facebook
Yes, if the government planned it, that means that everyday chuds didn't plan it. That is a tautology.
Anti-police sentiment was crushed long before January 6. Capitol police let them in because they're MAGA hogs themselves. Heck the only reason they were guarding the capitol on Jan 6 was because they couldn't get the day off to go storm it.
Ehh, that's too competent of a plan for the feds. More likely the feds let the demonstration for the same reason they always do, white nationalism.
I think it's likely that was an element, definitely at the level of the Capitol Police. Maybe also at the level of the feds, though they just as easily could have failed to intervene out of pure complacency, thinking the hogs would just squeal and oink outside the doors until they got tuckered out, failing to anticipate that the cops would just let them inside.
