Just imagine if we didn't have complete understanding of human nature. We might actually need an age of consent :very-intelligent:
It's really magical how all political struggle is simply a character creator slider with "no government" on one side and "hoo boy lotsa government" on the other
Thank you libertarians for enlightening me
They just think they'll come out on top. Like Spez they see themselves as the master rather than the slave because they're gifted children who feel like leaders.
And of course this is the reason libertarians tend to come from the most privileged segments of society - white folks, men, small business owners and their kids, etc.
Remove a traditional government from the equation
...and replace it with soviets on the local level that make all decisions but cooperate by sending delegates to regional soviets, which, in turn send delegates to inter-regional soviets. It's not that hard to imagine an alternative to traditional governments that are more often than not vicarious agents of the bourgeoisie. Libs just can't imagine handing over any power at all to the people, especially working class people.
Wow, MLK sure is wise talking about not judging people based on skin color, I wonder how well his ideology meshes with ancaps. :racism-finished:
God holy shit I really, REALLY want to see an actual ancap/libertarian state. I guess Chile under Pineapplechet was the closest thing but man like I just want to see the whole r/hermancainaward thing but with like....everything. It kind of sucks that people would suffer but I really think the right wing as a whole will eventually win the historical battle and we'll all go extinct from climate change but it would be kinda funny to watch them in the last days dealing with megastorms and shit and be being like, "well it's no big deal, get back to work slaves"
I mean that sounds ridiculous but these assholes are currently dropping like flies from a virus that is either just the flu or straight up doesn't exist and they STILL insist it's not a big deal
Oh there was some kind of story about a town that libertarians took over and they had all sorts of problems including bears coming in and setting up camp. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
I think the funnier one is the white dude bros setting up an anarcho capitalist commune in Mexico and one of their guys was doing something stupid like selling drugs and then they had a run in with Actually Existing Anarcho Capitalism and the local cartel busted in their doors and killed one guy and shot another
https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-galton-wanted-libertarian-paradise-in-anarchapulco-he-got-bullets-instead
Or more white dude bros setting up shop in Chile but it was actually just fraud the whole time and also no one wanted to deal with sewage so no one dealt with it.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bn53b3/atlas-mugged-922-v21n10
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
I think they set up one in Chile and literally called it Galt's Gulch.
A modern state is already an ancap state, because their ideology forbids nothing and permits everything. Ancaps are okay with private corporations enforcing their own laws, enforcing their land ownership via private military, and restricting freedom of movement for people born on their land. They're just very confused about thinking they're somehow opposed to something.
The only ancap I know is very well-read. There's some deeper disconnect there, like he doesn't believe in consequentialism, or the logical conclusion of an ideology is separate from the validity of the ideology, or something, I dunno.
I sometimes think they know it's bullshit but their emotional reasoning tells them they would be a benefactor just because they're "chosen" or whatever. Unless they're rich, which in that case there's zero reason to not go full 1488 helicopter ride
I mean, they talk about how we're all stupid and illiterate, and they seem pretty convinced. We're just pawns for (crony) capitalists, they say. Could it be we're all just misinformed?
For quite a few years Somalia didn't have a functioning government. The perfect libertarian utopia.
Unlike other colonies, it wasn’t run as a protectorate, Governorate, or directly annexed (at least until 1908), it was run directly by the king as his private property and was operated as a personal profit making venture
All their little attempted utopian projects predictably fail extremely quickly (or are literally just scams targeting idiots) but arguably the closest historical example we have of a government that attempted the "almost entirely powerless central government" model was the Articles of Confederation and that also of course failed so badly they had to write a new Constitution.
whoa i can't believe the world actually works in accordance to my own ideological conception of it, provided i omit from consideration a few phenomena that present contradictions and threaten its consistency!
It's fundamentally contradictory to believe that somehow corporations behaving badly will somehow shape up and fly right when they all get unleashed to do whatever they want.
I love asking ancaps why someone couldn't just take your shit with either a ginned-up NAP violation or just pay the private police to do it for them - they have absolutely no answer other than "Well people won't do business with you" when that's clearly not been the case.
It's because they believe large corporations only exist due to "government interference" and that in their ancap utopia companies will be forced to keep themselves in check by competition. If only the government didn't exist then that mom and pop store could compete with Amazon!
Well of course they could compete then! It's not as if you can get discounts on the commodities you buy when purchased in large volumes, thereby increasing profits beyond the capacity of the smaller shops because of increased purchasing power! Perfectly competitive.
They start from the position that everything bad in the world is because of the government. They think corporations only exist because of the government and in their ideal society, basically everyone becomes like a yeoman farmer or someone who sells their labor but they make enough money to be comfortable because capitalism automatically just makes everyone better off. So not even a baby-brain understanding of how capital accumulates and concentrates even in the absence of significant government intervention, you know, like EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN EUROPE FROM LIKE 1500 TO 1850 I.E. THE ADVENT OF THE CAPITALIST MODE OF PRODUCTION.
EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN EUROPE FROM LIKE 1500 TO 1850 I.E. THE ADVENT OF THE CAPITALIST MODE OF PRODUCTION.
Right? The City of London (not London itself but it's central business district) evolved as a municipal entity primarily governed by businesses and is one of the world's financial sectors - so basically a libertarian zone unto itself (royalty actually need permission to enter). It's the end result of small businesses accumulating capital and expanding.
They don't think of the world in terms of processes but like static categories. Competition leads to monopoly. They simply can't understand or don't want to admit that its perfectly logical and rational to respond to the pressures of competition by behaving in a 'corporatist' way lol
Yeah because ultraliberalism is inherently utopian, if they're ideologically dedicated to a ridiculous fantasy not based in any sort of real historical analysis it's hard to convince them otherwise
They’re hoaxes but still add the death toll which doesn’t exist to the Victims of Communism
Sometimes I really wish I could just not know or care about these things. Life would be easier.
I mean until my house was underwater or burned in the 10th 100 year wildfire this year.
I’ve been saying for a while that we have no choice but to abandon communism.
