I am one of the admins of Beehaw and I'm trying to get some feedback on our potential move.
Let's start out with a little Beehaw history before judgements are passed, please.
A handful of us were beta testing Tildes when we decided to have discussions on a Discord server.
We decided that our 'Northern Star' or guiding principle would culminate as 'Be Nice' with purposefully vague/flexible interpretations. Our overall goal is to provide a safe space to disenfranchised persons.
We talked for a little over a year and some of our members became impatient. Then someone stepped in to suggest a couple of platforms that we could consider getting started with.
One of those platforms was Lemmy. None of us knew, at that time, anything about ActivityPub.
During the Reddit exodus (surrounding the API outcry and blackout), our instance exploded. We were, initially, crippled by the mass amounts of users seeking refuge.
Thankfully, someone stepped in and volunteered hundreds of hours of work to stabilize our instance and refine it further.
After many hours of talks, it became clear to us that our overall goal could be achieved outside of Lemmy/ActivityPub.
Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.
Good riddance, Beehaw is terrible. It was maybe the single biggest exporter of concern-trolling about lemmy.ml and to my knowledge still entertains absurdly reactionary comms for no reason (though I haven't brushed up on my lore in a while). Go make your blue Raddle.
More constructively: Having your "Northern Star" be "intentionally vague" is not a good practice. Having clear rules is a much better way to avoid falling into "what did the mod who reviewed the report feel like doing at the time?" arbitration issues. If you want to serve disenfranchised communities well,* then have that be the foundation and clearly define what that means and why you are doing it.
*My experience with this was that Beehaw was more about first world radlibs patting themselves on the back, but I digress
I was banned from Beehaw for being “pompous”. I have narcissistic personality disorder, being pompous is one of the symptoms. I was being nice, polite, and complying with everyone’s requests, but I did so pompously, because I’m disabled. You’re 100% right, Beehaw is run be ableist radlibs and their word “nice” is a dogwhistle for “neurotypical”.
Right now, we feel that Lemmy and ActivityPub have downsides that are limiting us from achieving that goal.
Could you expand on this? How exactly does these things prevent you from Being Nice, if that's the goal of your community?
yall are made up of butthurt anticommunists lemmygrad chased off lemmy years ago, you won't be remembered at all
One of the multiple lemmy newcomers that defederated from us; in their admins' words, because we apparently "deny certain genocides".
@suspended@lemmy.ml what "genocides" would those be exactly ?
The thing about genocide is that the concept was formalized as a crime, meaning you do actually have a burden of proof, and you do actually have to provide evidence, and requiring, examining, and weighing the evidence is no more offensive than requiring, examining, and weighing the evidence against someone accused of murder.
And you do actually have to do this analysis, because "genocide" is thrown around all over the place as a political tactic, and plenty of accusations are bullshit (or are you a genocide denier if you call bullshit on the accusation of white genocide in South Africa?).
I main Lemmygrad and you've been defederated from us since the beginning, so I don't think I would notice nor care. Good riddance lib safe space.
I don't think you guys cared when you defederated from the rest of the fediverse and turned up your nose at everyone else. I'm not sure why you care now. You guys go and do your thing, but I don't think you're very relevant to the fediverse.
You speak very vaguely, and I don't think you're being fully honest with your reasoning, but by this point, I don't think it really matters.
Didn't that instance pre-emptively defederate Hexbear and Lemmygrad for not being liberal hellholes? Lol
Edit: I just realized this was blahaj, not beehaw. I can't keep none of this stuff straight.
That was lemmy.world. Beehaw was federated for a while but then if I remember right kept saying we're not actually trans/gay friendly because we're too tankie. Then they kept insulting one of our admins, who is a trans woman herself. Like they'd say we're faking how queer we are. Then it turns out they have a really bad chaser problem and a bunch of our trans posters kept getting death threats or weird stalkers from over there. Also they're so anti-tankie they occasionally swerve into outright saying reactionary stuff. They also like saying slurs.
There was an attempt at damage control, then I think we decided to cut them off. Do I have all of that right? I really have problems remembering my Hexbearian lore, I'm sorry. We need a Bible
Yup, that's all blahaj. Beehaw was the one that pre-emptively-as-a-last-resort defederated Hexbear before we had even turned on federation at all
yeah, now I remember. They said something like we'd push a certain ideology and that's unacceptable for some reason. Yeah, we're the only ideological ones
Is Beehaw even really in the fediverse when you don't federate with almost anyone?
lol, your wannabe
sunk as soon as it became apparent Reddit wasn't going anywhere.
