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All anarcho punk is naive and poorly informed a d usually was written by actual children, like 13-17 year olds. Chumba were the smartest by a wide margin but it still stands
Funny, I got into anarcho punk when I was 13. Still listen to Conflict every now and again, but thats about it. I don't know that I'd call Chumbawumba anarcho punk, even their earliest shit was just so much more advanced musically than people like Crass or Conflict or bands like that. To me, if you play more than one chord during the verses, it's not anarcho. Gotta be a super shitty player to pull off the anarcho sound.
Anarcho punk was more of a movement than anything sonic. There's plenty of tuneful bands like Zounds and The Mob. Stuff like The Astronauts, Flowers in the Dustbin, Androids of Mu, Blyth Power, Internal Autonomy and a bunch of others were well outside of the normal punk mold and I'm empirically certain Chumba took influence form some of these bands especially considering they had members of some and they played most of their shows through the 80s with anarcho punk and early crust bands. They were part of that scene.
Ah, see, you know more than I do then. I know Zounds and The Mob by name, though I can't name any songs, and the others are unfamiliar to me.
I'm an encyclopedia of punk music. Zounds started as a jam band and it shows and The Mob might be my favorite band. They're kinda post punky I guess, super sincere and earnest but really depressing lyrics.
Man, I could never vibe with post punk. I started getting into punk when I was ~11 or so, so when I learned about it, I think the fact that it wasn't quite as 'fast and angry' as the other stuff I had found turned me off. Wanna give me like, 1 or 2 of your favorite post punk records to check out?
Check out Let the Tribe Increase by the Mob, it's close enough. Chairs Missing by Wire is probably my favorite album .OST people would consider post punk, Seventeen Seconds by The Cure is great too, they still weren't full on goth at that point or the difference between the two was still negligible. I love Joy Division and Unknown Pleasures is great but the 2nd and 3rd track should have been moved further from each other cause they're both surges and it kinda kills the album in the cradle, it picks up after but those two slow minimal songs in a row are a bit tough. The first couple Killing Joke albums are great as well and quite aggressive. Amebix was basically trying to be Killing Joke for their first few years, No Sanctuary is basically a cruder more punk version of Killing Joke's self titled. Their second one What's THIS For? Has a really cool focus on the drums and tribal rhythms. Crass is actually fairly post punk in a lot of their later stuff.
About to go to bed so ill save this post for the morning, but before I go, did Amebix have any demos or anything before Arise, or do you mean to compare that record to Killing Joke?
They had demos, a song on a Bullshit Detector compilation, 2 singles and a 12inch EP (Basically a full album) prior to Arise. The band started in 1979
Yeeeurrp. Especially during that time. Crass are the Ur libertarian anarkiddie takes twenty years earlier. I love them, but they and all of the anarcho punk movement was super naive and poorly informed, super libertarian and had massive cold war brain worms both sides bad cause I'm anarchist attitudes. A lot are now anti Vax weirdos cause it's a thing THE MAN wants you to do. Crass were authoritarian as fuck when it came to Penny massively imposing his will in other bands they recorded and released records for, almost every band that has a release on Crass records has complaints about the recording process and him just making artistic choices for them behind their backs like adding gongs to No Doves Fly Here, making heavier guitars sound like washed out Crass guitars or EQinf Nick Blinkos amazing vocals down to shit. Their knee jerk reaction to the Falkland wars points towards it as well.
Not to be sectarian but i think Cuban anarchists would agree with them.
Hexbear and calling everyone who once uttered anything bad about a ML poster boy libs, name a more iconic duo.
Bonus points if the one who is getting called a lib is an anarchist.
Cuba is the easiest litmus test and if someone is still shitting on it while siding with the Great Satan they rae massive libs.
Correction: Not siding with the Great Satan is the easiesterer litmus test and if you fail it, you have never been an anarchist.
"But muh totally rad anarchistery"
My ass
Yes, this is true.
Anyone who knows anything about anarchists knows they're not siding with the Great Satan.
Ah sorry, I read the reasons for the embargo part as them siding with the US in that. But overall, c'mon a fucking tiny nation being bullied by the US, it should be hard to play the enlighted centrist
I'm more "eastern" than 99% of the site lol.
Also oblivious MLs remember the "Critical" part of "Critical Support" Challenge 2021
Castro would be the first to admit he committed human rights abuses lol, how is this a bad take.
“Castro is definitely guilty of human rights abuses.”
Castro himself would have agreed with this statement, though I'm going to guess from your reaction that Chumbawumba didn't exactly write a well informed essay about the missteps of the revolutionary Cuban government.
If, in fact, it is I who am the :LIB: for making this post, I will pay penance by posting some awesome jams.
Take your pick - folk punk, electropop, or sludge metal.
Hell yeah, Erik was a good friend of mine when he was around. Shit just doesnt hit the same without him, but I still listen to a lot of Defiance Ohio when I'm in a sad boi mood.
I'm very disappointed in them. Still gonna blast their labor covers and songs about shooting fascists. But I'm not gonna enjoy it. No , sir.
TBH same, I only think like 1% less of them now out of 100%
Just a little less based. A few minutes in the re-education camps should do it.
That was released 15 years ago, hopefully they've seen the light now. :fidel-bat:
Still love 'em to death, just disappointed. No regrets at all doing my week of Chumba posts. TBH I wish they stuck around longer.
I kinda drop off a bit after Never Mind the Ballots. There's still good stuff but I'm not that into the folk and pop stuff.
See this is why the greatest anarchist indie musician is David Rovics
Damn that sucks ass. You know, I think every artist that you like will eventually have a shit take because ultimately you're not going to agree on everything with anyone, even yourself if you think about how many contradictory views you might have or all the times you've changed your mind.
From the band that brought you Coca-Colonization and British Colonialism & the BBC comes the new hit single: ... Are Actually Not Bad
Damn you got me I have :no-choice: but to give up on communism now
