The Armenian Genocide Museum defines cultural genocide as "acts and measures undertaken to destroy nations' or ethnic groups' culture through spiritual, national, and cultural destruction." wiki
I do not see that in Xinjiang.
When you talk about language, why is it bad for Uyghurs to learn Mandarin if that helps them better integrate and understand wider society?
For example, wouldn't it be better if migrants in the US who only speak Spanish were taught English so they can better interact with the rest of the population?
Additionally, that doesn't mean that your language is now banned either, just that your horizon broadens.
I mean, I don't complain about being taught English as a 2nd language at school.
Westerners are projecting their fucked up dynamics of race, culture, and language onto China instead of actually understanding the dynamics there ont heir own terms.
Shut the fuck up, you dumb piece of shit. Jesus. People are saying it's more complicated than your euro-centric, western media-addled brain. Disingenuous fucking hack.
Not exactly equivalent to “Shut the fuck up, you dumb piece of shit. Jesus… Disingenuous fucking hack.” but fair point.
I was a bit irked by “Westerners are projecting their fucked up dynamics of race, culture, and language onto China instead of actually understanding the dynamics there ont heir own terms.” handwaiving my experiences and understandings, rather than directly engaging with what I’m saying. Believe it or not, it’s possible to have a different opinion for reasons unrelated to misunderstanding, imperialism, or innate intelligence.
I know a few people from China, or whose parents are from China. And for some reason, funnily enough, we’ve talked about race before. And racism exists in China. It’s not some imperialist western thing to say that there is racism within China haha that’s absurd. And it of course plays into everything, as racism does.
Imo, I would counter the charge of ‘western imperialism addled brain’ with ‘leftist apologists unwilling to recognize obvious racism because that’s not a part of the promise of Chinese socialism’, but that’s a bit too spicy for me to spit without heavily couching it in statements like ‘but who among us really knows for sure’.
Obviously not equivalent, still. To be clear, I wasn't saying racism doesn't exist in China and I don't think that's what his comment was meant to mean either.
But let's just leave it at that.
People were saying that upthread, and other people were pointing out reasons that that's probably not true- but that is where the conversation was.
My point here isn't to say "they're not allowing people to learn their language", it's that we should refute that argument on the basis of whether that is or isn't happening, not on the basis that that wouldn't actualy be repression, which was how I took what you said.
Not my definition:
I do not see that in Xinjiang.
When you talk about language, why is it bad for Uyghurs to learn Mandarin if that helps them better integrate and understand wider society?
For example, wouldn't it be better if migrants in the US who only speak Spanish were taught English so they can better interact with the rest of the population?
Additionally, that doesn't mean that your language is now banned either, just that your horizon broadens.
I mean, I don't complain about being taught English as a 2nd language at school.
Westerners are projecting their fucked up dynamics of race, culture, and language onto China instead of actually understanding the dynamics there ont heir own terms.
lol @ ppl claiming racism doesn't exist in China
Shut the fuck up, you dumb piece of shit. Jesus. People are saying it's more complicated than your euro-centric, western media-addled brain. Disingenuous fucking hack.
Half of your comment: "Shut the fuck up, you dumb piece of shit. Jesus... Disingenuous fucking hack."
I mean you weren't coming in with a good faith argument either, were you?
Not exactly equivalent to “Shut the fuck up, you dumb piece of shit. Jesus… Disingenuous fucking hack.” but fair point.
I was a bit irked by “Westerners are projecting their fucked up dynamics of race, culture, and language onto China instead of actually understanding the dynamics there ont heir own terms.” handwaiving my experiences and understandings, rather than directly engaging with what I’m saying. Believe it or not, it’s possible to have a different opinion for reasons unrelated to misunderstanding, imperialism, or innate intelligence.
I know a few people from China, or whose parents are from China. And for some reason, funnily enough, we’ve talked about race before. And racism exists in China. It’s not some imperialist western thing to say that there is racism within China haha that’s absurd. And it of course plays into everything, as racism does.
Imo, I would counter the charge of ‘western imperialism addled brain’ with ‘leftist apologists unwilling to recognize obvious racism because that’s not a part of the promise of Chinese socialism’, but that’s a bit too spicy for me to spit without heavily couching it in statements like ‘but who among us really knows for sure’.
Obviously not equivalent, still. To be clear, I wasn't saying racism doesn't exist in China and I don't think that's what his comment was meant to mean either.
But let's just leave it at that.
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probably shouldve been all of it, these are wrecker level takes
There's a difference between being taught Mandarin and not being taught the Uyghur language.
I agree with your point broadly, but it's worth keeping a more open mind considering what (varying degrees of) repression of a culture can look like
Who says that in Xinjiang they are not being taught their local language anymore?
People were saying that upthread, and other people were pointing out reasons that that's probably not true- but that is where the conversation was.
My point here isn't to say "they're not allowing people to learn their language", it's that we should refute that argument on the basis of whether that is or isn't happening, not on the basis that that wouldn't actualy be repression, which was how I took what you said.