Drama has pretty much died as federation has normalised. The only thing that happens now is that we get a gentle amount of chuds with dogshit opinions, and expose our views to some quiet lurkers that have later on months down the line talked about how influential we've been on them.

The dogshit opinions are good additions to the hex because they're not overpowering and they inspire useful actual answers to their dogshit takes. These answers are useful to onlooking lurkers still learning.

The influence is good and valid.

Sources of new users are thin on the ground and should not be limited.

There will be an initial wave of shit until the worst users are banned. But that will taper off into something good overall.

We should not re-federate with blahaj (or any server) unless they have corrected the things that caused our defed. Doing so will significantly agitate users here that wanted it and cause lasting bad blood that harms Hexbear. It's not an option at all until something drastic is taken from their side to address the original issues that caused it.

I don't know what this site was like having never heard of it until a couple months ago. I found you all through Lemm.ee federation. Today I'm reading communist theory, have become vegan and am working on my delibification. That wouldn't have happened or have taken longer if not for you guys and federation. I would have stayed a smarmy ignorant lib although maybe a bit happier and less stressed.

Edit: I feel compelled to make it explicit that this is not a vote either way. I'm offering this perspective since the goal of federating was stated as radicalizing libs like me to show that it can work. The judgment of whether there are enough people like me to make federation worth it, in particular since this seems to affect trans comrades disproportionately, is for others to vote on.

Stop trying to refed with Blahaj. Apart from the chasers, the trans users there are brain wormed libs. They aren’t comrades and for most they’ll never be. They’re brained wormed libs and that’s their home. Otherwise those users would be here.

Why the fuck would we federated with blahaj again? For what possible reason?

Defed programming.dev, due to unaddressed transphobia toward our users from their admin.

Continue to defed blahaj.zone. Terrible admin, terrible instance.

kbin.social and fedia.io do not federate. I'd be open to trying it if not for deanonymized modlog and upvotes. That sounds fucking terrible

Defederate with hexbear as a joke

Defed: aussie.zone - Every (western) nation-specific lemmy I've interacted with is full of brainworms and colonial apologia.

Stay fed: lemm.ee - Decent mix of reasonable people, a couple comrades, and the few reactionaries that stumble in aren't enough to taint the entire instance for me.

Defed: programming.dev - The admin transphobia was pretty bad.

Stay defed: lemmy.blahaj.zone - c/196 basically is blahaj.zone. See how they bullied the admin to stay federated with programming.dev despite their desire to protect trans users.

Stay defed: kbin.social & fedia.io - As far as I'm aware, the popularity of the kbin model was specifically because they thought that lemmy was contaminated by tankies due to its marxist developers. I'm pretty sure they'll defed us immediately anyways.

Federating with blahaj concerns me somewhat. I have no desire to have chasers in my or other transfolks' DMs. Unless that’s properly taken care of by their admins, I have no interest.

We already know Blahja will not keep their moderators in check, programming.dev same. I've been browsing Local more often cause i just dont care what the rest of the fediverse has to say

blahaj.zone can stay fucked off forever. The 196 comm isn't the problem; its users are. Selectively defederating from just that comm won't keep the chasers out.

I'm fine with the others being federated. Then again, I don't have a ton of skin in the game. I'll happily defer to folks that do.

Keep doing what we're doing. I don't think trying to reintegrate with groups that have shown their reactionary streaks in the past is a good idea, because I seriously doubt they've changed at all. And every time we've federated with a problematic instance for the lulz or whatever we've just ended up de-federating again like a month later after a ton of drama.

I also don't think it's good to federate with a site but ban their one problematic comm. Those issues will spill over, those users will still see our posts, and we'll see theirs in other comms.

Federate with the libs on blahblahzone. Do a little Start some drama get some of them to say stupid shit. Use it as casus belli to discuss defederating again. Scrape a few of their users. Defederate.

Perform similar raids on other instances that we have not been federated with.

Lemm.ee is pretty alright. Aussie zone is too small to be offensive. Programing.dev I don't care about either way.

isn't blahaj zone the same one we defederated from previously for very good reasons??? I don't know enough about the other instances to have a strong opinion about their userbases. I would assume we're going to get mod harrasment no matter what if the modlog is deanonymized, so maybe we shouldn't put ourselves through the trouble.

Edit: changing my vote to , no more half measures walter

I don't think federation adds anything of value to this website. What, so every now and then we get a confused lib in the comments of one of our posts and we all dunk on them? That's not reaching out to other communities or educating anybody, it's just a ritual where we all demonstrate our beliefs to one other and nobody learns anything. The idea that connecting with websites that have a higher user count will grow our own community has proven to be a fantasy, as we've lost two good users for every one we've added via federation, and I think we need to either change strategies or just accept that we're a weird, hyper-specific corner of the internet and like every other forum like ours we're gonna stay small and slowly fade out over time.