Zenz mentioned in the sources

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              If another source outside the imperial core, just ONE fucking credible source from South America, the middle east, etc would corroborate the claims without citing the already compromised testimonies and "research" of the likes of Zenz et al, then I'd be more inclined to believe it. I don't deny there are prisons in Xinjiang. I don't deny they are specifically for Uighurs. What the key point of contention is, is the specious claim(s) of genocide, murder, rape, slavery, forced sterilization, and organ harvesting.

              This all seems terrible and dystopic to our sensitive western eyes, but we forget that we've done and are doing the same and worse. We, as activists, are focusing on the wrong bad guys, however.

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                  HRW/Amnesty

                  Both of these are from the core, FYI.

                  you can be against unethical things both the US and China does.

                  I most certainly can. What I cannot do, is jack and fuckall about China's own domestic policies. What (most) of us here, particularly those in the US, can do, is "something" about the US's own human rights abuses vis-a-vis Gitmo, slave labor, police brutality, imperialism, war crimes, etc. The government is supposed to be accountable to its own citizens, is it not? So every second you waste worrying about China is a free second you give Pompeo et al to catch a breather while you get angry at the country you are powerless to do anything about.

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                  Holodomor was a famine that occurred through error in a region that had a famine every few years for the last 100 years of its existence. It was then named(by nazis) to liken it to the holocaust and make the claim that it was intentional. Any amount of reading confirms this. Even the soviet archives confirmed this after they were opened. It was also the last famine of the region as problems were finally resolved following it.

                  "We're done here" in the sense that you don't want to hear the truth the vast majority of leftists that have done more than watch a couple of youtube videos understand.

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