Zenz mentioned in the sources
“Very few have been able to tell their stories.
We spoke to dozens.”
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Just Checking, for other genocides like Rwanda, Holocaust, Bosnia, there were far more accounts than this right, by that like hundreds of thousands right?
Are we just going to pretend that the US doesn't regularly pay people to fabricate stories for use as propaganda?
If another source outside the imperial core, just ONE fucking credible source from South America, the middle east, etc would corroborate the claims without citing the already compromised testimonies and "research" of the likes of Zenz et al, then I'd be more inclined to believe it. I don't deny there are prisons in Xinjiang. I don't deny they are specifically for Uighurs. What the key point of contention is, is the specious claim(s) of genocide, murder, rape, slavery, forced sterilization, and organ harvesting.
This all seems terrible and dystopic to our sensitive western eyes, but we forget that we've done and are doing the same and worse. We, as activists, are focusing on the wrong bad guys, however.
HRW/Amnesty
Both of these are from the core, FYI.
you can be against unethical things both the US and China does.
I most certainly can. What I cannot do, is jack and fuckall about China's own domestic policies. What (most) of us here, particularly those in the US, can do, is "something" about the US's own human rights abuses vis-a-vis Gitmo, slave labor, police brutality, imperialism, war crimes, etc. The government is supposed to be accountable to its own citizens, is it not? So every second you waste worrying about China is a free second you give Pompeo et al to catch a breather while you get angry at the country you are powerless to do anything about.
Both Amnesty International & Human Rights Watch have parroted every single lie against US state enemies.
The reporting on human rights abuses by Israel are produced by independent journalists and activists in the Global South, which AI & HRW are forced to acknowledge. If they ignored Gaza, they would have no credible whatsoever.
The reporting on "human rights abuses" by China are produced by institutions funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. NED is an institution described by its founder, Allen Weinstein, to "do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."
There are no independent journalists in the Global South that have verified the accusations against China. Every single nation in the Global South has rejected these imperialist lies. The map of countries which believed the AI & HRW's lies about "Kuwaiti incubators" is identical to the map of countries which believe the "Uighur genocide" lie.
Parroting these lies makes you a useful idiot for the Empire. I don't understand why there is not a united Left voice opposing this already. It's absurd. You idiots learn nothing.
also by activists in Israel and other places
Yes. That's what I said. The only sources on the "Uighur genocide" are, at most, one degree of separation from the CIA. The genocide of Palestinians has decades of detailed reporting, and is acknowledged by every single institution in the world, besides the US & Israel.
why would any country publish a report about human rights abuses about a country whose financial support they relied on?
Ask all the Global South countries which condemned the Iraq War, while accepting US funding.
You have an infant's understanding of the world. It's the same American consciousness which allows your ruling class to rape & pillage the world with no pushback. Your rulers only need to say "those shrewd Asiatics are as diabolical as us", and American Left will continue to cheer on the capitalist encirclement of Eurasia.
"Neither
MoscowBeijing or Washington" I scream, ignoring the reality of our world.
Holodomor was a famine that occurred through error in a region that had a famine every few years for the last 100 years of its existence. It was then named(by nazis) to liken it to the holocaust and make the claim that it was intentional. Any amount of reading confirms this. Even the soviet archives confirmed this after they were opened. It was also the last famine of the region as problems were finally resolved following it.
"We're done here" in the sense that you don't want to hear the truth the vast majority of leftists that have done more than watch a couple of youtube videos understand.
Why even participate in conversation with others if you refuse to do so in good faith?
what’s going on seems credibly a crime against humanity
What is going on?
That chick that worked for like, the state department or whatever the fuck lol
Edit: Ctrl F for “Abbas” on here. She worked for the state department and was a translator at fucking GUANTANAMO BAY. And coincidentally her sister is also in a Chinese concentration camp lol.
HRW is literally a propaganda front that was built to attack socialist countries via a method that would appeal to westerners. They are controlled by the US.
Their original name was Helsinki Watch and their job was to attack the USSR.
It takes a 5 minute amount of time for you to double check this and see I'm correct. It's even in their own information on the hrw site, they do not hide it.
https://www.hrw.org/about/about-us
As I said in the previous message, they were founded to attack the USSR, they were later expanded to attack south american socialism and cuba, followed by moves into Asia and then to support imperialism in Africa. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think this organisation's job is not to support the US against whatever the state labels as its current target of imperialism.
An old report by a NED funded organisation, thats been debunked again and again what you point?
definitely not getting incentivized to make up the worst possible shit like the intelligence services pay DPRK defectors in South Korea
This whole situation is probably very fucked, and the most westerners can do to stop this is get the US out of Afghanistan and stop funding Islamic fundamentalists that bleed over the boarder into China which in order to contain, they are using detention and surveillance to stop terrorism, while very likely not in the death camp style of the Nazi's. If the US is no longer threatening China by allowing terrorists to go in, this will very likely stop which will in turn drastically improve the lives of all peoples of China.
