• Wildgrapes [she/her]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Literally unimaginable that executives in the west would be punished in anyway for this. They'd maybe mayyyybbeeee get a fine. But probably just get more government contracts after promising to definitely not do it again.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Two of the executives responsible for Volkswagen's systematic fraud with emission tests of 11 million diesel cars were charged - with fraud and market manipulation.

        • SoyViking [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          One of them was for a while. Both of them are out of jail as of now.

          • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
            ·
            edit-2
            3 years ago

            Martin Winterkorn was the one who did not see jail (yet anyway), brief excerpt:

            On 15 April 2019, he was also charged in Germany by regional prosecutors of the city of Braunschweig of fraud, of violating laws prohibiting unfair competition. In January 2020 it was reported that the German judge in the case stated that Winterkorn might be allowed to keep 12 million dollars in bonuses, and possibly walk free from the charges. Prosecutors in Stuttgart dropped a market manipulation investigation after deferring to the case in Braunschweig. In June 2021, it was reported that Winterkorn among other former top managers should pay to Volkswagen around €10 Mn in compensation.

            So...possibly a fine less than the bonus he got.

            Oliver Schmidt was the other:

            In January 2017 while attempting to return to Germany after a vacation, Schmidt was arrested in a men's room at a Florida airport, charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States in the Volkswagen emissions scandal. Had Schmidt been able to board a plane and return to Germany, the chances of him being prosecuted would have been slim as it is unlikely that Germany would have extradited one of its own citizens to stand trial in the United States. In December 2017, having earlier pleaded guilty, a Federal judge in Detroit sentenced him to seven years in prison and fined him $400,000. Schmidt was inmate number 09786-104 and was incarcerated at U.S. Federal prison FCI Milan in York Township, Michigan. His release date was set for 25 December 2022. In late September 2020, Schmidt was transferred to Germany where he was incarcerated at Hanover Correctional Center. In January 2021, he was released on parole after serving a bit more than half his sentence

            3 year and 1 month sentence

            I do note the Chinese cases seem to be about air pollution data itself being falsified, where here the charges are for things such as fraud. The Chinese execs jailed are all from just 4 steel mills

            • SoyViking [he/him]
              ·
              3 years ago

              Yeah, the German polluters got punished for fucking with the money, not for fucking with the environment.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Checked the comments against my better judgment, and sure enough, that Parenti "During the Cold War..." quote is relevant as ever

    • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Something I appreciate about /r/ShitLiberalsSay- they recognized that that quote comes up so much, they created a Parenti Bot to post it

      • ComradeBongwater [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        I want to train GPT3 bots on the entire corpus of Parenti and unleash 100s of them on the internet

        • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
          ·
          3 years ago

          I recently asked the gpt3 to write a 1000 words comparing socialism and capitalism including an introduction and conclusion and it gave me some lib shit about markets and why capitalism is better. So let me know when you get that going, please.👍

    • s0ykaf [he/him]
      ·
      edit-2
      3 years ago

      on :reddit-logo: there's a good top comment that was well received, which is good

      but then you go down the chain and the shit starts because it's still reddit

      • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Pretty much sums up the :reddit-logo: experience.

        No amount of improvement will hide the fact that the place was made for pedophiles and is run by a neo-Nazi.

    • OfficialBenGarrison [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      "BuT aT wHaT cOsT!?!?!?!"

      I'll answer that question with their answer to the threat of climate collapse:

      Totally worth it.

  • Gamer_time [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    smh 1984, at what cost, scaring investors, incoming collapse, etc etc you know the drill :porky-scared:

  • Omega_Haxors [they/them]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Whenever I see stuff like that it improves my view of China.

    God please, here too. We need it so bad.

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
    ·
    edit-2
    3 years ago

    Once again liberals btfo. China is just state calitlaism. Yeah? They why don't they ever make choices for the good of the market? We got state capitlaism, our government is run for the market. China through the small drips of english languages data from hostile press we get just fucks.

  • Cowboyitis69 [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Damn I’m so glad we don’t live in Orwellian China where rich people are held accountable.

    • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      This is almost literally the sentiment on worldnews.

      These people are probably innocent, anyone actually punished in China just fell afoul of political leaders and all anti-corruption campaigns are actually pro-corruption campaigns.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Imagine living in a country where they just lined up a bunch of Exxon executives and shot them for destroying the world. What would that be like?

      • yellowparenti5 [none/use name]
        ·
        edit-2
        3 years ago

        i love how insane conspiracies about china are. the cia probably thinks they're doing a great job but in reality china would definitely prefer the enemy to underestimate them.