Yeah definitely. Also when you're taking a piss test every week, your options are pretty limited with stuff like marijuana and most hallucinogens on the WADA doping list.
Sleeping pills are another one commonly abused by athletes, especially those that play night games or alternate between different time zones often. I've heard there a disturbing trend of benzodiazepine sleeping pills being abused by athletes. Benzos addiction is not something you want to mess with.
About 6gpd here, for a number of years. No, havent found anyone reliabe, but I just learned about the shortage like...2 days ago. Usually get from Liftmode, but since they're out, I tried Nootropics Source. That'll be here Thursday.
no prob! ok i'm glad you got an order in. have you thought about tapering? or tried agmantine to reduce tolerance? and i think the shortage is temporary i'm not sure how true it is but caused by a temporary shutdown from covid in the main chinese production facility?
Haven't heard anything about it, but i haven't really paid much attention. So long as I can keep myself from feeling like having a heart attack, I'm happy. And just ordered a scale to start my taper! Already on agmatine and a few other supplements to help with the upcoming taper. Agmatine is a weird one for me cause a lot of people LOVE it, but in doses at 500mg or above, it just makes my heart race.
i take agamatine right before bed, about 1.2 g. for some reason it does the opposite for me and helps me sleep, and basically cancels out the rebound anxiety insomnia i get for the couple days after phenibut. it's weird how stuff works differently for different people.
were you using the phenibut originally to self treat anxiety? i'm fucking weird because i originally used it as a stimulant, even if i do have social anxiety.
Yep, anxiety treatment when I didn't have access to health care. It's grown into something I really need to kick - I've quit Tianeptine cold turkey before which was fucking hell (one part opiate, one part weird fucky SSRI), but phenibut sucks too so tapering is the way to go.
And yeah, agmatine messes with your BP levels. I've tried taking a gram before, just didn't agree with my body for whatever reason. I take 300mg in the morning with some other stacks for mental benefits I take to help counter what the phenibut has done to my memory and stuff, but that's about it.
tia spooked me out, esp reading reports after ordering a tub (never opened it, it's in my "break glass if sucidal depression"). i'm guessing it was a fun combination of intense opioid withdrawls and weird brainzappy SSRI shit rolled into one? and you know i thought phenibut was good for clearing out brain fog but i think with my daily kratom i've noticed in the last year it's actually fucking up my memory
I didn't get the brain zaps, but it was about a month of insomnia and anxiety on top of opiate WDs. So, yeah, totally fucking great. Luckily I was only on the stuff for 6-8 months, but my usage got so intense I'd need to wake up ever 3 hours at night to shovel tia down my throat. At least with Phenibut I can sleep through most of the night.
ugggh. the ultra-short duration was definitely a turn off. i've always hated stuff with short half-life. i got hooked on loperamide (yes, it's possible!) to fight heroin/morphine w/ds because it has a 24 hr duration... it sucked as an opioid but long half life make such easier tapers!
I had half a mind to try an immodium high, but never took enough. Although I do take like 6 at a time some days since the phenibut use has wrecked my gut.
it doesn't seem to cross bbb for everyone. i took 48 tablets first time when in w/d and it killed the w/d and gave a buzz. feels like a sleepier methadone buzz, with a touch of morphine. problem is it's a pretty strong calcium ion channel blocker too so it can slow your heart rate down dangerously.
Yeah, I heard that immodium actually is close to morphine molecularly, just doesnt cross the BBB so you get the opiate constipation effect without the high.
Anyways, if you ever wanna talk drugs, inbox is always open! I'm starting my phenibut taper proper over the weekend, scale is coming in the mail, so I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about soon.
there is no way they are doing it while actively doing anything lol you can pass out standing up from doing it. it lasts like a minute and is very disorienting
and where exactly are they doing this lol. its one of the most conspicuous thing possible lol
im smashin whippits rn and have been for a week and i cannot imagine actively doing anything. mfers have fallen over in my house doin em and we all do them pretty regularly
They do it at nightclubs usually. I know Arsenal players and some other footballers/soccer players from other clubs have been caught doing it. Brighton and Man U players are the ones I can remember offf the top of my head.
hmm makes sense since it basically allows you to ignore all physical pain or exhaustion for a really short burst
Yeah definitely. Also when you're taking a piss test every week, your options are pretty limited with stuff like marijuana and most hallucinogens on the WADA doping list.
Sleeping pills are another one commonly abused by athletes, especially those that play night games or alternate between different time zones often. I've heard there a disturbing trend of benzodiazepine sleeping pills being abused by athletes. Benzos addiction is not something you want to mess with.
:jordan-eboy-peterson:
Dude decided to go into a coma instead of go through benzos withdrawal and almost died. Apparently he had to re learn to write and stuff.
But because we live in hellworld, he's back again promoting bullshit.
Benzo withdrawal can kill you. You need to wean off of it. You should for sure consult with an actual doctor when trying to quit
yeah benzos are no joke. i take phenibut once a week but that's as far as i'm willing to dabble with my GABA receptors.
Daily phenibut user here - keep it that way.
been using weekly for about 3 years now. what's your daily dosage? have you been able to secure a reliable stockpile with the big shortage?
Ah shit forgot to reply.
About 6gpd here, for a number of years. No, havent found anyone reliabe, but I just learned about the shortage like...2 days ago. Usually get from Liftmode, but since they're out, I tried Nootropics Source. That'll be here Thursday.
no prob! ok i'm glad you got an order in. have you thought about tapering? or tried agmantine to reduce tolerance? and i think the shortage is temporary i'm not sure how true it is but caused by a temporary shutdown from covid in the main chinese production facility?
Haven't heard anything about it, but i haven't really paid much attention. So long as I can keep myself from feeling like having a heart attack, I'm happy. And just ordered a scale to start my taper! Already on agmatine and a few other supplements to help with the upcoming taper. Agmatine is a weird one for me cause a lot of people LOVE it, but in doses at 500mg or above, it just makes my heart race.
i take agamatine right before bed, about 1.2 g. for some reason it does the opposite for me and helps me sleep, and basically cancels out the rebound anxiety insomnia i get for the couple days after phenibut. it's weird how stuff works differently for different people.
were you using the phenibut originally to self treat anxiety? i'm fucking weird because i originally used it as a stimulant, even if i do have social anxiety.
Yep, anxiety treatment when I didn't have access to health care. It's grown into something I really need to kick - I've quit Tianeptine cold turkey before which was fucking hell (one part opiate, one part weird fucky SSRI), but phenibut sucks too so tapering is the way to go.
And yeah, agmatine messes with your BP levels. I've tried taking a gram before, just didn't agree with my body for whatever reason. I take 300mg in the morning with some other stacks for mental benefits I take to help counter what the phenibut has done to my memory and stuff, but that's about it.
tia spooked me out, esp reading reports after ordering a tub (never opened it, it's in my "break glass if sucidal depression"). i'm guessing it was a fun combination of intense opioid withdrawls and weird brainzappy SSRI shit rolled into one? and you know i thought phenibut was good for clearing out brain fog but i think with my daily kratom i've noticed in the last year it's actually fucking up my memory
I didn't get the brain zaps, but it was about a month of insomnia and anxiety on top of opiate WDs. So, yeah, totally fucking great. Luckily I was only on the stuff for 6-8 months, but my usage got so intense I'd need to wake up ever 3 hours at night to shovel tia down my throat. At least with Phenibut I can sleep through most of the night.
ugggh. the ultra-short duration was definitely a turn off. i've always hated stuff with short half-life. i got hooked on loperamide (yes, it's possible!) to fight heroin/morphine w/ds because it has a 24 hr duration... it sucked as an opioid but long half life make such easier tapers!
I had half a mind to try an immodium high, but never took enough. Although I do take like 6 at a time some days since the phenibut use has wrecked my gut.
it doesn't seem to cross bbb for everyone. i took 48 tablets first time when in w/d and it killed the w/d and gave a buzz. feels like a sleepier methadone buzz, with a touch of morphine. problem is it's a pretty strong calcium ion channel blocker too so it can slow your heart rate down dangerously.
Right on. Sounds like something to not fuck with then.
yeah. ironically the ca+ blocking and the strong opioid effect combined makes a great pain reducer lol.
Yeah, I heard that immodium actually is close to morphine molecularly, just doesnt cross the BBB so you get the opiate constipation effect without the high.
Anyways, if you ever wanna talk drugs, inbox is always open! I'm starting my phenibut taper proper over the weekend, scale is coming in the mail, so I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about soon.
ok will do! same here i'm on here plenty lol
Lmao same. I have to be on the internet for my job so all day every day, I have a nice little Hexbear tab open to hit F5 on the slop.
there is no way they are doing it while actively doing anything lol you can pass out standing up from doing it. it lasts like a minute and is very disorienting
trust me as a very experienced nitrous (and other disassociatives) user it doesn't take long to get used to the buzz and be fully functional on it.
and where exactly are they doing this lol. its one of the most conspicuous thing possible lol
im smashin whippits rn and have been for a week and i cannot imagine actively doing anything. mfers have fallen over in my house doin em and we all do them pretty regularly
They do it at nightclubs usually. I know Arsenal players and some other footballers/soccer players from other clubs have been caught doing it. Brighton and Man U players are the ones I can remember offf the top of my head.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/07/arsenal-nitrous-oxide-ozil-aubameyang-spoken-to-responsibilities
i don't know ask the user further upthread who brought it up