• Rojo27 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Holy shit, what an example. Wonder what else might have happened in Afghanistan.

    I mean, it'd be pretty weird if the fighters who got funded, by a mysterious benefactor, ended up becoming a problem for that mysterious benefactor. And in order to rectify the problem the mysterious benefactor would end up partaking in its own disastrous 20 year invasion.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      CW SA NSFL

      She watched a man get raped to death with a knife, knowing it was because of her, after he surrendered and she refused to accept his surrender. She recounted watching this video with absolute glee. This was Ghaddafi. Libya has open air Black slave markets now. He was a pretty popular leader.

      She said publicly "we came, we saw, he DIED" and cackled maniacally. Literally referring to the video of him being beaten and mutilated and raped to death.

      If Hillary Clinton was not in power, she would absolutely be catching stray dogs and sticking needles in them

      She's a lizard psychopath, truly a demonic figure.

      • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        In March 2011, the United Kingdom and France, with the support of the United States, led the international community to support an intervention in Libya to protect civilians from attacks by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi. This policy was not informed by accurate intelligence. In particular, the Government failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element. By the summer of 2011, the limited intervention to protect civilians had drifted into an opportunist policy of regime change. That policy was not underpinned by a strategy to support and shape post-Gaddafi Libya. The result was political and economic collapse, inter-militia and inter-tribal warfare, humanitarian and migrant crises, widespread human rights violations, the spread of Gaddafi regime weapons across the region and the growth of ISIL in North Africa. Through his decision making in the National Security Council, former Prime Minister David Cameron was ultimately responsible for the failure to develop a coherent Libya strategy.

        https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf

        • SerLava [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          :not-hillary: What's that? All I hear is something about Libya being a Very Bad Place now, maybe we should do a war there to civilize them?

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    And then Afghanistan was fine and everyone lived happily ever after.

  • TheModerateTankie [any]
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    3 years ago

    Cool, we're totally using ukraine to draw russia into a horrific quagmire.

    spoiler

    :doomjak:

    • invo_rt [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      looking forward to the US and allies funneling money and weapons to all the wrong people in Ukraine :agony:

        • neera_tanden [she/her]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Ever since they discovered those natural gas deposits off the coast of crimea in 2012, sweatie

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        surely can't end badly when we have decades of civil war with massive amounts of state department money flowing to european neonazis while our propaganda machine becomes more and more bloodthirsty and hawkish. really looking forward to this nightmare. this is not turning me into a doomer at all.

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    If it took USA involvement to cause the Soviets to lose what the fuck is the USA's excuse for losing the same war.

  • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Hillary praising Osama Bin Laden lmao. The ahistoricism is also crazy. First the US & Saudis started funding crazy right-wingers, then the Afghanistan government asked the Soviets for help. There wasn't even a local translation of the Quran, the CIA had to translate and print it, of course they used the most extreme interpretation of it. They spent millions printing crazy "education" books for children, trying to turn them against the Soviets.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      There wasn't a local translation of the Quran.

      For real?

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It wouldn't be a surprise. Most Muslims believes that the Quran is the literal word of God and consider translations to be inauthentic corruptions.

        • CTHlurker [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          when it comes to the question of translations, there is quite a bit of disagreement in the muslim world over them. Especially if you're a Gulf Monarchy looking to ship some zealots around the world, you generally allow them to make a local translation, so that the actual preaching is easier to do. If you just show up with a book that nobody can really read, you run the risk of them not listening to you, and just doing whatever they were already doing before you showed up. If you happen to be a good public speaker as well as a zealot, you can also ensure that your specific translation of the Quran gets the official "cleric approval" in a given society, which also boosts your credibility.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          That doesn't make any sense. The original Quran isn't written in Latin.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      Hillary praising Osama Bin Laden lmao.

      Obviously she's just praising Charlie Wilson and who even knows what happened after Operation Cyclone anyway? So much Russian Disinformation on the subject, I'd prefer to just not think about it.

      Incidentally, where are the Saudis coming down on the Ukraine/Russia conflict, anyway? It wasn't all that long ago when Putin and Bin Salman were doing joint photo-ops.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    moon of alabama has been saying that the US goal is to create a massive insurgency

  • ancom20 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    And then, in the 2000s, those same insurgents kicked the Americans out of Afghanistan too..

    Mujahideen 2, US/RU 0.

    • Mother [any]
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      3 years ago

      It’s really amazing how casting the spell of war has opened the sepulcher and all these desiccated ghouls have come crawling out

  • CommieElon [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    She forgot the cardinal sin of America. She forgot about 9/11.

      • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        they will proceed to free the perpetrator who then proceeds to do it again leading to a 9/11 every year and be let off every time

        throught this whole time people will agressively hate Muslims for 9/11

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I love how they think this will have absolutely no consequences for the border nations. Love to see Facsist gangs smuggling spare weapons for drugs through Poland while Russian Militia paramilitaries bomb the Polish bases the gangs are staging from under the aegis of freedom fighters.

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    :agony-acid:

    I wonder what came first tho, I wonder if the USSR actually invaded Afghanistan or were begged to step in, I wonder why people tightly connected to child-sex traffickers and child-sex consumers are being asked opinions on things, damn I wonder so many things.

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I feel like we deserve a quagmire of blood and waste in europe, but I feel bad for the people involved

    • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I don't think you understand America they think of a quagmire of blood and waste as being a treat