lib movie

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    That movie is the ultimate :wonder-who-thats-for:

    I know so many Americans who loved that movie and were like "haha so many people are like that" when they themselves have absolutely zero understanding of the world around them.

  • SteamedHamberder [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Most of the Mike Judge oeuvre is what :thinky-felix: called “Irridescent media” in that the vantage point of the viewer drastically changes the content. A reactionary would obviously see idiocracy as “Eugenics good.” A lib would see it as an ode to the “adults in the room,” but a leftist could certainly see it as a call for radical change in things like environmental, health, education and agriculture policy.

    • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Idiocracy always had a weird eugenics undertone to me. That undesirable people will out procreate desirable ones. I feel people misunderstand the message of the film. They come away thinking the idea we need to fix people, not systems that which people find themselves. I know it's all for laughs, but I think a lot of people who watched that and just thought the problem was individual acting “poorly” rather that the MEGACORPs/Systems that control everything. These systems limit individuals' agility to act (let alone act “well”). Worse yet, these systems can even reward “dumb” behavior or whatever. I felt its critique was of “dumb people” not of the systems that create and refuse to take care of those “dumb people” and also create cultures around them. It made fun of consumers rather than consumerism. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it seemed ill-spirited, or at least misguided. The lack of structural critique makes it feel a bit icky.

      • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        It's not even really an undertone, since the opening is literally saying "smart people don't have enough kids and dumb hillbilly yokels have too many kids"

      • meme_monster [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        The eugenics angle pushed at the start of the movie is incredibly unfortunate because truly the problem is not breeding but culture. Anti-intellectualism permeates American culture and politics, and is pushed just as vociferously by Harvard and Yale legacy students as it is by hillbillies in trailer parks. It will be hard enough to keep the populous mentally stimulated in a push button automated world under removedSC, but it will be nigh impossible under a financialized, service-based capitalism were people got to be made dumb enough to continue falling for scams like credit default swaps, health insurance, and NFTs.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        What the movie fails to account for is how fucking stupid rich and "successful" people can often be and how that doesn't prevent them from having lots of babies, and in fact they could very well have many more than they should and give them generational trauma by abusing and neglecting them. :my-hero:

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          What the movie fails to account for is how fucking stupid rich and “successful” people can often be

          Isn't that exactly who guys like President Camacho and his staff parody? The rich and successful people are all just cultural icons rather than geniuses or exceptionally hard workers.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            President Camacho could and did actually own up to being wrong and was mature enough to step aside if someone else had a better idea eventually.

            I highly doubt that :billionaire-tears: would ever be able to do that and he's supposed to be the genius of the bunch.

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              2 years ago

              Karl Albrecht, Warren Buffett, and Bill Gates less so. Not all these rich fucks are Musk.

              • The_Jewish_Cuban [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                Those people have egos just as big if not bigger than musk. It's just that their not trying to be zoomer shit posters as an adult

              • morte [she/her]
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                2 years ago

                Bill Gates would "step aside" then set up a non-profit foundation to continue growing his wealth while slowly enacting his eugenicist agenda across the African continent

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        Idiocracy always had a weird eugenics undertone to me. That undesirable people will out procreate desirable ones.

        That's the face-value pitch. American troglodytes keep breeding while the "good" people self-select into oblivion.

        But I'd argue a funnier reading is that liberal intelligentsia produces sexless weirdos and losers more concerned with personal vanity and careerism than building a future they might actually want to live in. The run into a hereditary dead end as the American consumer culturalism they seek to master basically kills their libidos.

        The David Duchovny movie "Evolution" handles this issue a bit more gracefully, as the things rapidly breeding and spreading are alien lifeforms rather than American chuds. The climax of the movie has the protagonists fighting a fifty foot tall alien amoeba. Duchovny's character bemoans how evolution doesn't favor any particular trait beyond habitat suitability and muses how sometimes the simplest organisms are the best positioned to thrive.

      • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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        10 months ago

        King of the Hill can be a similar experience at times, Idiocracy is just more overt. I get the feeling Judge was trying to "both sides" a lot of the issues his characters face and make fun of everything and everyone involved.

    • ProfessionalSlacker
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      2 years ago

      This is so dumb it's melting my brain. That's literally all stories.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think it's a matter of degree. Some stories are harder to mistake. People will still do it, but a larger chunk of chuds might just recognize what something is, and simply hate it

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Like, the movie is very clearly hyper-critical of a host of early 2000s-era American cultural touchstones, from conservative hyper-nationalists hero worshiping the police state to liberal technocrats unquestioningly deferring everything to "experts". Its told from an outsider perspective by way of "time travel", and the eugenics bit is just to get you to the premise of the show.

      The story is basically just a revamped Gulliver's Travels. But in setting up the outsider perspective of a basic bitch white American loser, its real failure is in being myopically Western-centric. There's never a consideration that life outside America could possibly be better off than the dystopian nightmare the protagonist finds himself in.

      I'd say that's the real sin. For all Judge's critique of American culture as trashy, violent, navel-gazing self-destruction, he can't see outside the fucking DC Beltway.

    • Nakoichi [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Irridescent media

      That's a good term, I'm gonna use that.

    • sabrinm [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      oeuvre

      i keep forgetting what that word means. someone give me a mnemonic i can remember it by

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Pretty much every person already sees themselves as the exception in a world full of sheep. It's why drunk driving, driving without seatbelts, going to social gatherings without masks and without vaccinations and so on are all seen as dangerous only when other people do it.

    A similar delusion makes a lot of people believe they are immune to the effects of advertising and that they are smarter than the sheeple and all their decisions are strictly grounded in logic.

  • estii [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    the worst thing about Idiocracy is that people who aren't me have seen it, and I have to hear about it lol

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I've always wondered why people who say stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed assume they would be allowed to breed in such a world.

  • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Sometimes, I wonder if my interpretation of Beavis and Butthead is correct, that its setting is a town whose identity has been destroyed by Reagan neoliberalism, strip malls, and that, and the only people capable of being happy there are these two idiots completely oblivious to the world around them.