I’ll give the old coot credit, I don’t agree with everything he said here but it took some balls to say it.
Edit: Noam not Norm. Fuck!
I’ll give the old coot credit, I don’t agree with everything he said here but it took some balls to say it.
Edit: Noam not Norm. Fuck!
yea it's decent but this isn't like a socialist take or something. It's just Noam repeating the obvious solutions available to each side in capitalism. Tbh I don't even know what a socialist take would look like in the absence of serious socialist parties on sides of the conflict who could make something out of this tragedy.
I mean, the socialist position is very obviously opposed to continued escalation by Ukraine and their western backers, while rhetorically also opposing Russian invasion. The rest is just dogmatism, completely out of touch with the real consequences of war.
Just that fact that Noam talks past the propaganda and actually says the truth is frankly radical in a country as propagandized as the US.
There is only one option that can end the war. Negotiation table. Commit to a neutral demilitarised Ukraine. Recognise the LPR and DPR.
Is this necessarily true? Ukraine has banned communist parties, symbols, and arrested notable communists. Russia is a fuck, but at least the communists are the biggest opposition party and seem to be growing.
Even if both sides are just degrees of capitalist and fash, is infighting between those parties really to be categorically condemned? If the Italian-German Axis had fallen apart in 1938, would we not be cheering on such infighting?
Besides, the only real alternative to the Russian invasion is unlimited NATO expansion and Ukraine letting Nazis terrorize Donetsk while refusing to implement Minsk Agreement #42069 and is that really better in the long run?
The socialist take would be donthe thing Noam said and also then both nations should be socialist.