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  • gayhobbes [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Nah, you're not a lib, a lot of queer people feel like you do. I've hated this election cycle because there's a lot of accelerationist glee that Trump might win again or Biden will lose and Civil War 2.0 blah blah. Honestly the left shouldn't want anything like this because we aren't poised to do well if things collapse, so we should probably root for something less shitty to happen right now.

    But then again a lot of these accelerationists happen to be cishet white guys who have no real stakes who imagine themselves being rounded up by government thugs and carried away when the FBI doesn't even know who the fuck they are from 50 other potato-shaped internet nerds. I can't act too shocked about it.

    The entire situation is pretty fucked and I don't like it, but on the whole I'd like to not collapse into chaos where I'm hunted for sport so fuck the collapse noise.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          I mean like the last time Biden was in the White House the US was literally making the Genocide of Yemeni Houthis possible.

          Like...

          Biden might not be the end of your world, but he will be the end of the world for many, many people. it might be worse than Obama because they'll need to show "Strength" and "Bolster their presence on the world stage" and "Reclaim America's image" and shit, aka crush dissent and violently re-assert imperial hegemony.

        • gayhobbes [he/him]
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          He's topped Obama's drone numbers and exacerbated existing conflicts so I don't know about that.

            • gayhobbes [he/him]
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              Yeah, Hillary would definitely have gotten us into a war. I have no clue if Biden's going to. I can't do more than hope there. But Trump is making things a lot more violent in the US at the same token, and that violence is largely being directed at people of color, women, and queer people.

          • Runcible [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            This is literally the argument.

            I don't know how I feel on the Trump v Biden thing in all honesty, but c'mon man...

      • AnarchoFash [any]
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        4 years ago

        To be fair from a minority perspective, it's a weird debate. Trump has actually repeatedly proposed budget cuts to the police. While Biden has not only previously increased funding but plans to increase current budget. 1994 crime bill, anyone? This is very similar to the bill he fathered, wherein "reform" was promised in the form of higher quality policing and more rehabilitative services. This was agreed upon by black leaders as a good bill, until said rehabilitative services were taken out. For AA communities it seems to be history rhyming.

        Personally, I don't think not being a segregationist is a high hurtle to jump.

      • Ronalpinhos [none/use name]
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        The thing is that Biden means death to god knows how many people in the middle East, as does Trump.

        Biden picked a lady as vp that locked away young men for decades for selling weed.

        Biden hasn't made any concrete promises to exploited workers in America.

        Biden supports more fracking.

        Do you really want to support that?

      • gayhobbes [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I mean make no mistake Trump has been hideously ineffectual at a lot of his pointlessly cruel policies, which is good, but he's gotten off a few good victories and they've been fairly painful. Again, insulated champagne socialist motherfuckers.

      • gayhobbes [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The hope with Biden losing is that the dems, while still rejecting anything genuinely leftist, will realize that they need to embrace a modicum of social democracy to maintain their incomes.

        If they lose they will never do this.

          • gayhobbes [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I mean by that token Bernie has had significant influence in crafting the Democrat platform so I dunno what to tell you, but I don't think the Dems are going to think they can go LEFT if they lose.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            FDR

            a) Had the Soviet Union and giant unions breathing down his neck. b) Had a democratic party that was capable of ideological reform.

            We have neither of those things, the shocking thing about this moment is that Capitalism has atomised so much that neither the left, centre, or right are strong enough or can organise enough to reform the social order.

            The left is still pretty shattered and the other two have almost exactly the same policy behind the rhetoric and are essentially megacorp spokesfronts for marginally different groupings of Capital. The Imperial core is completely ossified.

            • kristina [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              tbh fdr was fash lite and knew that black people wouldnt get any of his new deal reforms while jailing japanese people

      • Biggay [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        If you think democrats, even the ones at the top, will learn anything ever and stray away from their ideology, I've got a house to sell you.

      • Chapo_Trap_Horse [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        The hope with Biden losing is that the dems, while still rejecting anything genuinely leftist, will realize that they need to embrace a modicum of social democracy to maintain their incomes.

        This is what the left says after they lose in the primaries every single election. It doesn't work.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      idk, there was a saying among a leftist revolutionary (cant remember which one, but it succeeded), but he said it was common for there to be defeatism on the left and that no time was ever the right time for revolution. it was often said even while the revolution was taking place.