• LeninWeave [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Absolutely 0% odds that this guy is telling the truth about immediately correcting himself on the wrong pronoun.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If this guy really doesn't give a shit about what pronouns he uses them it should be no problem for him to use the right ones. Easiest thing in the world.

    • Nakoichi [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It's funny because they almost get it. They corrected themselves but they're resentful for having to do so and not just like, learning to use proper pronouns naturally.

      • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I really feel like they build the whole strawman in their head. They didn't mention if the listener was offended, we are just supposed to infer that I guess. Maybe someone gently corrected them and they got mad? That's my dumb guess.

  • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Tell me you've never been misgendered without telling me you've never been misgendered.

    • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I'm not trans, but I think a lot of people have had the experience of being misgendered, at least a mild form of it, at some point around puberty.

      Like I remember multiple people thinking I was a girl, on the phone getting called ma'am, even in photos or in person because I had longish hair.

      It sucked every time, absolutely made me feel terrible about myself.

      So I take that experience and imagine how much worse it would be if my actual body was the one misgendering me and blammo! empathy.

      But like I said at the beginning, I'm pretty damn sure this happens to almost every kid at some point. I don't get why it's such a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around then.

      • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        They were probably one of the kids who did do that misgendering bullying.

        • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          I mean more like talking to someone before your voice drops and people not being able to tell easily, not specifically targeted bullying

      • DinosaurThussy [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I personally believe that cis people have a baked in concept of gender fluidity that they associate with gender trauma. Being socialized into patriarchal gender involves a lot of being told that you are a deviation from the platonic ideal of your assigned gender. So you will be punished with androgyny or have your Proper Gender status revoked from you if you don’t meet certain expectations. People understand, even if they don’t agree, that there is an ideal man and an ideal woman, and that when people point out the ways that you deviate from those ideals they are being mean.

        Trans people threaten the idea that gender can be a universally agreed upon ideal which is determined immutably at birth and is easily signaled to others for the sake of signaling conformity. And a lot of cis people haven’t attempted gender nonconformity since before they could write a full sentence, so they have processed none of that patriarchal conditioning in decades.

        I don’t wanna write off all transphobia as a trauma response because that’s a cop out on many levels as well as inaccurate for many people. My point is that cis people understand gender deviation. They just understand to be bad and couldn’t articulate a historical reason for all the pain that taught them that

  • amber2 [she/her,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Cis people are crazy, they'll misgender you and then get mad if you notice them doing it

  • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Not giving a shit = throwing a fucking tantrum

    Like, if you're so above it all, why would this be an issue for you whatsoever?

  • GamerGulag [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    let's meet in the middle. i get everything i want, and you get none of what you want

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    South Park enlightened centrism that never offends or inconveniences rich cishet white men is the easiest thing in the world. :capitalist-laugh:

  • sgtlion [any]
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    2 years ago

    How about this? We'll meet in the middle - Everyone agrees with me and thinks exactly the way I do, then everything would be fine. Okay? Geez.

  • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It reminds me of Dave Chappelle when he said something like

    "You can be whoever you want to be, and I support it, but to what extent do I have to participate?"

    It's the same thing I want to tell libertarians. "I don't know how to explain to you that you need to care about other people. It's a two way street."

    People like Dave and the person who wrote the comment we are talking about view everything as transactional. I just don't know how to handle that.

      • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        That's a good way to put it. You can't bend society to your will unless a majority signs up for it.

        That's why I keep to myself mostly. I still get to live my life, just away from other people who don't see things my way.

  • sjonkonnerie [any, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    it's wild how many people seem to have trouble (or straight up refuse) using preferred pronouns because they have imagined a person who will get very angry at them if they make an honest mistake.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The core of so much chuddery is spite in reaction to expectations of kindness.

    • AntipastoAktion [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I once got into an argument with a boomer who was mad that they were asked to use the singular "they" as a pronoun for someone, and they were fucking convinced that the singular "they" was some modern fad invention - despite using the fucking singular they in the same sentence multiple times.

  • VeganTendies [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Please, I am specifically asking you to not give a shit.

    Screeching "HOW DARE YOU THIS IS AN INSULT TO GOD!" is NOT "not giving a shit".

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      So many chuds care a lot about what they call "not caring."

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Trying to look up someone's dress as they enter the restroom, because you don't give a shit.

      Deliberately name calling and misgendering anyone you don't think is "hot enough" to be their given gender, because you don't give a shit.

      Ten thousand word screeds on a channel specifically dedicated to hating trans people because you don't give a shit.

      Gunning down a bunch of school kids in a terror campaign intended to do eugenics on Trans people, because you don't give a shit.