The way I honestly see it, there are only 2 probable options
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Dems win and chuds wig out against the government for no reason despite getting everything they ever wanted, because they are simply subhuman automatons
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Reps win and chuds do not wig out against the government (and also still get everything they wanted)
IMO pretty much everything between 1 and 2 are the same, except that in 1 the chuds are at least somewhat more preoccupied by the government and inclined to play ''''''roblox''''' with them.
Accelerationism isn't real. The whole concept is Liberal cope. If the Left had the power to make conditions worse, it would simply skip the revolution and use that power to make conditions better. The necessity of revolution is born from the fact that the left holds no power. If the left holds no power, how are they supposed to be capable of making conditions worse?
I'm referring to acceleration as the natural state which will inevitably happen. Not some kind of magic book thing where a splinter group of leftists that collapses the country lmao
I got you. I just can't help myself whenever I see this word lol.
I dunno man chuds were given access to the capitol building on a silver platter and didn't even burn anything. :shrug-outta-hecks:
It turns out that when you get right down to it, they have almost the same level of fetishization for these institutions as liberals in many ways.
American conservatives aren't like other cultures, which have a long history to pull from. Instead of religion or monarchies, our conservatives like the institutions of democracy back when it was openly racist.
If the GOP folded today, the Democrats would split into two new parties by Monday.
Dems and GOP are cogs in the same machine, and the machine has only one setting - CONSUME.
Accelerationism without a personal plan for what you are going to do in this new world is just suicidal tendencies imo, esp if you live in a sufficiently rural part of the country
Well either it accelerates and the gov stays intact
or it accelerates and some braindead wignats maybe try to topple the gov because they are morons
that's how I'm thinking about it
Sure, but you are ofc, still the same person when the chuds pick up their guns and cross the metaphorical Rubicon. I know where I'm going and who I need to have an urgent conversation the moment it goes boog. I have a physical space to go to that will most likely not have a prevalence of armed people going door to door. I have access to things that I will need. Not everybody who is saying "accelerate accelerate" even knows what they plan on doing the second that acceleration allegedly happens.
have you thought about all the marginalized people that are gonna get murdered if we accelerate the collapse of this state
this implies that I'm in favor of causing accelerationism, rather than simply believing that accelerationism is just the natural state and inevitable destiny of the US
I honestly believe the latter, and so having accepted that, I just want the process to cause as much damage to the gov as possible in the meantime.
accelerationism is just the natural state and inevitable destiny of the US
I honestly don't understand what you mean by this and the way you're using "accelerationism" throughout the thread. Accelerationism not the tendency of capitalism towards crisis or the inability of the capitalist state to govern sustainably. It can't be the natural state of anything because it's an approach to anti-instutionalism: the idea that by advancing the most reactionary elements, we will spur the people to revolt. You're just using it to refer to the US being a shitty state that is losing its grip (I think?)
I'm referring to the fact that chuds want to kill minorities, and this is not related to capitalism/alienation/economics. It's simply their core personality trait. They passionately hate anything that is "not them"
Luckily, this also extends, somewhat, to political parties. They hate Dems almost as much as minorities.
Thus, if Dems win, much chud attention will be taken off of minorities, and focused on Dem political institutions. This not only relieves pressure, but also wrecks the US state.
If Reps win, chuds just get all the stuff they want codified into law, and the US just continues on as a Nazi Germany, and will be undisturbed for as long as it doesn't do something stupid like nuking China.
I guess I agree with what you're saying. I'm stuck on the term you're using for it, because what you're advocating is now clearly the exact opposite of accelerationism. Wrecking the US state is not accelerationism. I want to wreck the state and I'm very anti-accelerationist. Advocating for the Dems as a stop gap (however minor) against the very worst of Republican reaction is decidedly not accelerationist.
I don't think Dems in power is going to take any chud attention off minorities, because they see the Dems and minorities as one and the same. But it would mean the most insanely hateful people on earth aren't in power, and there's value in that.
I guess I'm using the wrong words. "Accelerationism" is supposedly when you try to force the system to accelerate more. That is not what I want.
I simply believe that the system is destined to accelerate. This is what I meant by "an accelerationist case". Since the system is destined to accelerate, we may as well manage it optimally, and I see many reasons why Dems would be preferable to Reps:
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marginally, very, very very VERY marginally better rights for Non-White people, LGBT people, and other groups. Meaning the Dems are probably slightly less likely to cancel a $1000 scholarship for some gay kid somewhere, which is pretty much irrelevant but it's objectively better than 0.
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The liberal base, and any remaining "convert-able" liberals, will continue to witness fascist horrors take place under Dem rule, possibly becoming disillusioned, and possibly making a leftist third party more feasible. If Reps were elected instead, the alternative would simply be the right-most Dem administration you can think of, like Joe Biden is right now.
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chuds are irrational subhumans who hate Dems. If Dems are in power, their anger is focused on the political establishment. Let them fight.
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I guess I should have used "acceleration" instead of "accelerationism", my bad.
I'm skeptical about the notion that "we" are doing anything. At best somebody claiming it do be doing accelerationism is just operating within the same constraints as the rest of us. :anprim-pat:
Now if you were ted pollack you might be talking
pretty much, "doing accelerationism" is like saying you "produce animals" when it's the soil, sunshine, and rainfall that produces them and you just own the land
Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism, and all that.
I mean, the interesting thing is that these guys aren't even Social Democrats. :shrug-outta-hecks:
secondly, even if there wasn’t, your whole idea is based on a non-materialist concept that if things get “”““bad enough””“” people will somehow magically radicalize.
that's not what I said
things would get badder, faster, under republicans. It's just that with dems in power, it causes more anti-government strife which puts a damper on stealing gold/oil/minerals from Colombia, Nigeria, etc.
In theory at least. In practice the effect is probably pretty damn small and only a minority of chuds want to play minecraft against the government. Still it's something
Hillary should be personally barred from ever holding office or appearing in public or existing
Technically, since it will all be accelerating regardless, both your votes are a vote for accelerationism. I think you're right about dem governance bring more likely to produce Roblox action
No, because voting literally doesn't do anything. There is no effect. Pure placebo. You may as well just spend that time yelling really loud into the sky so aliens from the next galaxy over will hear you and come help us. Any strategy which begins with voting in a liberal oligarchy is doomed to fail from the beginning, not because of the end goal or even the middle distance goals, but because the whole plan hinges on a first step which doesn't work.
That's a weird definition of accelerationism. But ok. No, I would say that Dems are not going to lead to the downfall of the US government more quickly than Republicans. Republicans are more unstable governors and will push a much harsher public response as they pass hyper-reactionary social legislation. The parties are about 95% the same on foreign policy, and the empire has clearly lost its capacity to perpetuate itself, so imperial hegemony is on the way out either way.
it's not about causing accelerationism, it's about managing it properly.
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chuds want to kill minorities
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if Reps win, they turn "killing minorities" into concrete legislation even more than usual
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if Dems win, they still turn "killing minorities" into legislation, but at least the chuds are so braindead that they're violently opposed to the Dems for some reason, and will turn some of their ire from minorities toward the Dems
I replied to you in another comment so maybe we should consolidate this, but that's just not accelerationism. Accelerationism is inherently about causing these things.
If you want a reason to vote Dem, it can just be "they do not actively want to make it illegal to be queer".
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