This is a tweet by Roko. Yes, that Roko.
I think its safe to say that if someone has .eth in their name you can ignore them
Anime avi is 30% communist, 70% fascist or pedo libertarian. .eth is 100% tech bro libertarian. Ukraine emoji is 100% insufferable liberal.
i've also seen ukraine emoji posters that came off notably more cryptofash than the usual lib. they're in the minority, but there are fascists who understand that the nazi accusations against Ukraine are correct and support them for that very reason.
In most cases. There's also militant Strasserite neo-nazis like Germany's III. Weg party or dyed-in-the-wool mussolini stans who support Ukraine, tho. The current leader of Italy's latest iteration of the fascist party, Fratelli d'Italia, is one of the latter. She's as nazi as it gets if you want to remain electable (which is nazi as fuck in today's Italy), but also 100% pro-Ukraine, although i don't know if that's due to her love for Azov, her disdain for Russians or strategic considerations towards the rest of the EU in case she becomes Italy's next PM.
Bureaucratic, technological society naturally self-assembles into an unfriendly superintelligence.
Wheras privatized techbro society naturally self-assembles into something fucking worse. :so-true:
its such a baby brained move to take some clips of women with internalized misogyny from 50 years ago to try and prove that thats women's natural state and feminism is some aberrant condition. Absolute no analysis or thought as to why that might be lol.
i literally never see them cite any feminist except the most inflammatory quotes from Dworkin. absolute peabrains.
Roko's Cockatrice: every person you've ever heard of on the internet, given enough time, will come back and reveal themselves to be a giant shit.
Rokos Basilisk is flawed as hell so I'm not surprised that he's this stupid tbh
I mean yes if his fame came from rationalwiki that was pretty much a guarantee. But he could've at least kept his mouth shut!
Roko's Catoblepas: Every person who owns property in Palo Alto will actively work towards bringing about complete fascism if they do not accidentally die from their favorite pastime of huffing their own farts.
same dude will also be against research for helping trans women give birth :very-smart:
It truly is baffling just how backward and regressive most so-called "futurologists" are. They don't want, and are indeed terrified of any societal or systemic change. They want a crude cartoonish approximation of the 1950s, but with more toys and superpowers.
its also just stupid. like, if feminism is truly an ideological force that is convincing everyone to be ugly sjws that dont have kids, that means over a long scale we'd be selecting for the absolute horniest motherfuckers because no one else is having kids. because in order for birth rates to actually decline to the point of the extinction of humanity, we're talking a long time. a time long enough that it would be enough to effect evolution
but of course we cant point out the obvious cause, capitalism. and also the obvious point that most women dont want to be treated as brood mares.
that most women dont want to be treated as brood mares
:jordan-eboy-peterson: would blame feminism for women not wanting to be brood mares, too. His delusions about what is natural seem awfully fragile when faced with actual people.
he doesn't consider it an ideology. that gives his argument too much credit. he considers it a "superintelligence," a literal motivated, thinking entity that operates independently of any one of its constituent parts. It's the philosophical equivalent of looking at a person-shaped tree and saying "hey whys that sexy lady pretending to be a tree?"
the dehumanized transgender feminist hivemind strikes against humanity once again :sicko-fem: :cyber-lenin:
Techbros "wow cool future" :awooga: Snowcrash
Futurologists "wow cool future" :awooga: Stepford Wives
Futurologists “wow cool future” :awooga: Stepford Wives
That's unironically what creeps and sex pests like :my-hero: and his cult want for themselves. They wouldn't be satisfied with walking talking sex toys, either. Look at how often :my-hero: 's type decline to pay for prostitutes and instead coerce sexual attention out of their workers. The cruelty is the point. They want others to experience suffering under them.
Chuds really can't envision a future where people are varied
The future singularity(tm) will change everything but not in ways that scare cishet white tech workers. :galaxy-brain:
bugs are delicious smh. grilled locusts and grasshoppers taste like shrimp and big seafood doesnt want you to know
This "super-intelligence" stuff is frustrating, because it comes so very close to a real observation. It's seeing the forest without the trees. Information, encoded as narrative, exists within people. When that narrative - that story - exists in enough people, it produces a kind of emergent behavior. Stuff like cultures, nations, money, and religion. But it's not sentient, in the same way an anthill is (probably) not sentient. Oh, the ants definitely are -- in their own little ant way. And people are sentient. But the emergent behavior of the 'social organism'? It's complex, complicated, sure. But it isn't a mind. It exists between minds. Pratchett called it 'extelligence' - as opposed to intelligence.
All that is to say,
Roko invented Satan again. He can't grapple with the fact that living, breathing, rational, sentient people can reach different conclusions and think different thoughts than himself, so it has to be some sPoOkY "unfriendly superintelligence" that's actually the cause. 'Cus when it's Satan, you don't have to talk to other people. You don't have to do the uncomfortable work of having a discussion. No need to consider another's perspectives. You just call them satanic (or is it an 'anti-human egregore'...?) and wash your hands of all that unappealing work.Ohhhhhhhhh, I'm not trans, the globo homo supermind born out of Soviet bureaucracy and pain just wants me like this, a seemingly independent and nefarious entity hidden from our views but dependent on all minds including my own. Doesn't this just sound like avoiding hard real world issues with a paranoid delusion instead?
Roko is responsible for creating the relationship between Grimes and Elon Musk.
https://archive.ph/mEOjS
insane that this guy built a following by getting made fun of for being stupid. you want an "unfriendly superintelligence" just look at the internet.
Bottom of my heart, don't even look into it. You will waste so much time for absolutely nothing. It's genuinely not even worth understanding these people outside of knowing that this is the true fascist form
I have such sights to show you
(RationalWiki is lib shit but they're right in this case)
Note: there was some poster here whose head was thoroughly fucked with by this article for a while, do not recommend.
I debunked Rokos Basilisk so easily (and I'm an idiot) that I'm surprised anyone would fall for it
Credulous techbros want very badly to have a rapture with the inconvenient and uncool deity replaced with something more in their own bazinga image.
this is dumb af because its precondition is time travel and an infinitely expanding intelligence, and its indistinguishable from a religion
pretty much just humans continuing to use monke brain for things they cant understand
but of course i am merely serving the ai, you stupid ape :galaxy-brain:
its precondition is time travel
It's even more stupid than that. It's the handwaving magic of simulationism, where a future AI would recreate the past in a simulation so perfectly that it's basically time travel and there are now millions of simulated versions of the unbelievers and apostates suffering in virtual hells because their future AI is apparently as fucked up and evil as the techbros that dreamed it up.
uh huh cool whatever i dont care if hypothetical alternate reality machine me 50 billion years in the future is being tortured, completely separate person
also remember these same early 2000s dweebs talking about tech singularity happening checks watch now. turns out there are material limits to things, who would have thought
I've unfortunately had long and exhausting arguments, including on Hexbear, with people that are so caught up in "simulationism" and "a perfect copy of someone is literally the same person (which is conveniently why so many of their thought experiments require the original person to be destroyed to make the copy)" that the magical thinking leads to that "perfect simulation" basically being the same person, literally and exactly, reborn, and maybe reborn millions of places at the same time for torture sessions because the future robot god is petty like that.
pretty silly. like im not even sure if i completely died, no brainwaves, and i was resurrected completely fine that i'd be the same person. pretty sure what makes you the same person is continuity of consciousness
but thats just theory of mind bullshit. next time i'm jesus i'll let you know how it felt
The usual argument I got was "souls don't real, therefore sufficiently perfect copy is literally you" which pretty much requires "oh yeah and original brain is destroyed to make the copy of course" handwaves so there isn't a contradiction. Without destroying the original, clearly the "literally you" copy has a problem at a subjective level.
It's magical thinking, New Atheism style.
what :jesse-wtf:
original brain is destroyed to make the copy? bro its rotted out and doesnt exist unless you literally think its happening tomorrow, which if they do this is indistinguishable from a doomsday cult.
It's usually contrived as part of the "uploading" process, something like "a sufficiently perfect 'upload' would require sufficient energy to destroy the original brain" which is also used as a handwave to eliminate the very real contradiction where, if the original person didn't didn't die in the process, that person would say "I'm still here, I didn't go anywhere, 'perfect' or not, that is still a different new person over there."
yeah. i think its pretty funny that these dudebros are so high on their own supply that theyre basically saying 'woah, that twin of me, has like, my skin. woah. if its tortured im tortured.'
turns out, yes, i can in fact tell that i am seeing through my own eyes and perceiving with my own senses, thanks. if its all a sham, who cares, some deity is playing tricks with me by making me think i have a butthole or something. sucks to suck :shrug-outta-hecks:
It's escapist magical thinking and some here on Hexbear have it too. Yes, death is scary. Yes, the subjective experience of consciousness is fragile and finite. But even a "perfect" copy later is still a different, new person. I assume they'd be happy to exist, but it still isn't the original.
I wrote an entire novel trilogy with the techbro delusion of "perfect copies" as a central plot point. The "uploads" start having a problem when the "uploaded" no longer need to die to "upload," and because techbros don't like to share, not even with their "perfect copies," it gets... violent.
its pretty silly. i dont even see why i'd be concerned if i was the OG kristina or not. i'd just be like 'ok cool we got a ton of at-will cuddle buddies with trauma now' and get on with life
its all just immaterial, and yeah, magical. its also just a mishmash of scifi tropes which proves that these dudes have no original thoughts despite trying their hardest to make it seem intelligent and independent, and of course it ends in the epitome of 'rehash' by turning it into a doomsday cult that receives donations
Hopping in the thread late, but after reading the wiki the whole thing reminds me of Montaigne.
They would put themselves out of themselves, and escape from being men. It is folly; instead of transforming themselves into angels, they transform themselves into beasts; instead of elevating, they lay themselves lower. These transcendental humours affright me, like high and inaccessible places;
And a bit below
The pretty inscription wherewith the Athenians honoured the entry of Pompey into their city is conformable to my sense: “By so much thou art a god, as thou confessest thee a man.” ’Tis an absolute and, as it were, a divine perfection, for a man to know how loyally to enjoy his being
Gotta be willing to accept being in a body where the only constant is change (something TERFS can never accept, being essentialists).
They somehow managed to take "god isn't real, souls aren't real" and kitbash it with their own god substitute rapture escapism fantasies. They want to seem beyond superstition while trying very hard to get the same hit that religion typically provides.
He created the trolley problem for guys that want to replace public transit with the blockchain.
Just a semi-popular writer in the Harry Potter fan-fiction community, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
His magical-thinking Bloody Mary For Techbros thought experiment psychologically traumatized a number of vulnerable people, so fuck him for that.
They use sciency buzzwords and they're Reddit New Atheists, so you can't call it magical thinking. :so-true:
i have no idea who this guy is but he's definitely the type who loves to hear themselves talk.
