RUSSIA BAD AMERICA GOOD

  • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    "At least a lot of Americans are sympathetic towards iraq."

    CITATION FUCKING NEEDED

    Lol. The Iraq war had an approval rating of like 72% at one point and even today I would guess it's a minority position to give a shit about the million plus we killed. We just hate that our precious troops got all blowed up.

    • Norm_Chumpsky [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Exactly, there might be a bit more sympathy now, but most people have memory holed and moved on. Less than a year into the Iraq War, there is absolutely no way Americans were more sympathetic towards Iraqis. It was insanely popular until things really turned to shit.

  • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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    2 years ago

    FUCK CHINA FUCK RUSSIA - u/langley0937194

    10 billion upvotes 1 million gold 500 million wholesome award

    "Wow this place is getting rather tankie-y lately"

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Being a tankie is when you merely say "fuck China" instead of "genocide all the Ch*nks".

  • Chred01 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    How much do you wanna bet that if north korea attacked the south, that reddit would overwhelmingly support the north

    :yes-chad: :kim-salute: :kim-drip:

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      if he wants to argue that ukraine is a sovereign nation that must remain independent of russian influence, maybe he shouldn't have compared it to a single nation that's been forcibly bisected by a foreign imperial power that still occupies it.

    • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      How much do you wanna bet that if north korea attacked the south, that reddit would overwhelmingly support the north

      that depends, how much do you want to lose?

    • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Love how libs are the hegemonic dominating ideology of the globe and compose 90% of any public discourse, yet they somehow still always feel on the back foot and under attack by “tankies” who just are crawling out of the walls like an endless goblin swarm

      • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        God it would be so funny to see liberals get what they claim to want and for Xi to deactivate the Great Fire Wall. Imagine how these dipshits would feel if there was literally hundreds of millions more users online to downvote their worthless posts and shitpost at them. They would never get another sinophobic post to the front page of Reddit. r/China would be liberated. Twitter ratio massacres.

          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            It's literally happening right now, as "pro russian sources" are being banned by not only western social media platforms but even by western governments.

            And of course, simply pointing out this indisputable fact makes you "pro russian" as well.

            • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              Yeah it will probably be a more decentralized patchwork of private-public partnerships and algorithms creating the censorship wall and not a single monolithic project like China due to the nature of western economies and the widespread pervasiveness of spooks in private tech companies. It will be invisible to most users

          • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Exactly. Suddenly a majority of websites would institute filters that don't allow access from certain countries without a VPN or something. Very organically and without any motive

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    It's so weird how I've had 500 conversations about Russia that have always been just me making really reasonable points and NONE of them have ever ended with the liberal not turning into a raged out psycho.

    But despite this experience the number of people slowly coming around on the Russia thing increases and increases.

    My only conclusion is that while absolutely none of my conversations about the topic ever feel like they end how I want them to.... Some of the message does get through and goes on to form the basis of some of their views. They just would never admit that to the person that those views came from.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      At least in the US, it's because before all this, liberals - even ones who try to follow world events - couldn't tell you one thing about Ukraine other than "le funny Seinfeld line". And they didn't know anything about Russia other than "Putin bad". So for them, the war is simple and uncomplicated. Good versus bad. Supervillain Dr. Putin vs Marvel Superhero Captain Zelensky. For them it's like consuming any other entertainment.

      Then you come along with your "context" and start making it more complicated. You obviously know more about it. But admitting that to you means not only do you put a stop to their fun war cheerleading, but they had to admit to themselves they don't actually know as much as they think they do. This shatters the ego of your typical educated liberals who thinks they're the most informed and reasonable person on earth. Hence the lashing out.

      • poppy_apocalypse [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        they had to admit to themselves they don’t actually know as much as they think they do. This shatters the ego of your typical educated liberals who thinks they’re the most informed and reasonable person on earth. Hence the lashing out.

        That's a fucking bingo.

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        You don't need to learn anything about history as long as you apply your rationality to whatever stream of consciousness is coming out of the TV or the social media feed.

        • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          This is the true Redditor mindset.

          You don’t need to independent reading or research. Just read the headline and an article from a western propaganda outlet and then apply your giant brain and read the comments, you will ascend to perfect understanding of all subjects

      • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        All of this is combined with 50 years of Russophobia programming and conditioning. Calling an entire nation of people “orcs” and not seeing any issue with it at all shows how deep into the bigotry-hole they have gone.

        It’s interesting, if you point out to “anti-racist” liberals that they are racist against Korean, Chinese and Russian people they often have literally no idea what you are talking about, they never even considered that possible. It’s a similar blind spot to European “anti-racist” libs who go full Hitler whenever Romas are mentioned and don’t see it as racism because they are so far gone on the racist path.

        You mention to them that the US killed millions of Koreans and used chemical and biological weapons on them, and were about to use nukes until Truman pulled the plug… no idea what you are talking about because they have memoryholed their racist genocidal rampage

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Reminder that America produced a Call of Duty video game that retconned the "Highway of Death" incident from the first Gulf War and blamed it on Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death

    • RedArmor [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      That was insane to me. I was literally yelling at my tv when that mission came up

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      My god. I thought "highway of death" just referred to some particularly dangerous stretch of highway in Iraq post-'03 invasion.

      Talk about a fucking war crime. Jesus Christ.

      • Quaxamilliom [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        nope, their only problems with it are how much it cost, it made some of their soldiers sad, and that it was started by red team.

        • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          They should have filed the correct paperwork and got approval from congress before genociding a million arabs

    • CommunistBear [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Ah yes, most of the adults I remember talking to advocating for "glassing the middle east" were very sympathetic to the Iraqi people

    • Foolio [any]
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      2 years ago

      Sympathy = "Bomb their ass and take their gas. Turn the whole place to glass"

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    2 years ago

    invading a country to overthrow its government and install a new government that resembles your own is not nationalist or imperialist if you're also making a lot of money.

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      it turns out that as the British, French and Belgiums all had their colonies in order to extract wealth they are innocent of imperialism at any point

    • justjoshint [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      thought people here wanted young people to be taken more seriously

      this dudes saying dumb shit but the problem is that hes saying dumb shit

      • sawne128 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        No, the problem is that they are a 04. This comment was made by 03 gang.

  • jackmarxist [any]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    He made a follow up

    Are you a communist? If so then God bless taiwan and Chiang kai shek.

    I have a significant ukrainian background, my family SUFFERED under communism. Now that I look at my comment I sort of brought up a lot of irrelevant points. But did you miss the point of a significant amount of my comment? The point was to attack the imperialist sympathisers. People who Want an empire back. As there is a lot of them in this thread.

    Ukrainophobe, your comment got removed for a reason. The irony of You accusing me of being racist

    >I don't really

    You don't really? Huh? I can't tell if that's bad phrasing, or if you sympathise with putin to some extent.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I have a significant ukrainian background, my family SUFFERED under communism.

      Suffered, but evidently not enough.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 years ago

        "Your grandfather deserved it and I would have done it myself" is the only acceptable answer to the "sOvIeT gEnOcIdE" crowd. Someone actually wants to talk about real mistreatment or mass migration that's fine, but lots of times they're pissed nazis were killed.

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      If they think Ukraine was bad under communism, wait 'til they hear what it was like under anticommunism

      • jackmarxist [any]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        Most of the anti-communist Eastern Europe lives under the delusion that Nazis considered them Aryan and would've not exterminated them.