lol

https://twitter.com/Aja_X_/status/1583366100204498945?cxt=HHwWgsCtgYjFn_krAAAA

  • D61 [any]
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    2 years ago

    :huh: Wonder what was going on in those countries back then?

    • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      There were some brave free-marketeers fighting Stalin's evil regime as he committed genocide against the marginalized business community.

  • OfficialBenGarrison [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The USSR ironically did more to protect "freedom" than any western country ever could. Without the USSR, the "free world" is doomed to return to its mindless, warlike, natural state of endless nazism.

  • ObamaHamburger [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Europeans only hate Nazis because they tried to take over Europe. Had they instead propose a partnership like the EU (I mean…), they would’ve had 0 problems. If the mask off no nonsense Nazis were resurrected right now and changed their stances to wanting to genocide Russians and Romani only, there would be no institutional European opposition, except the ones that also want to include Jews :eric-andre:

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I'm fond of saying that the problem Winston Churchill had with Nazi Germany was the "Germany" part

      • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        US General George Patton explicitly kept saying out loud that "we're fighting the wrong people" towards the end of the war. He was also fond of questioning the necessity of denazification after the war. Then of course there was Operation Paperclip, Operation Gladio, Operation Unthinkable, Operation Bloodstone, the Gehlen organization and its CIA ties, Adolf Heusinger in NATO, the Schnezz Truppe, the pivoting away from Denazification to capitalist restructuring under Adenhauer and the so called Christian Democrats, the huge injections of Marshall Plan money into building up West Germany immediately after the war, which was framed as an "economic miracle" of capitalism rather than a giant state-sanctioned giveaway to the "former" Nazis.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Marshall Zhukov rather famously said, standing in the ruins of Berlin; ""We liberated Europe from fascism, but they will never forgive us for it""

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Worth remembering that almost all the Jews who survived the Holocaust in Eastern Europe did so by fleeing to the USSR.

  • CetaceanPosadist
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    2 years ago

    they actually did manage to avoid listing anything that was directly a part of the war with the nazis; the 39-41 ones are all a series of realpolitik annexations carried out to strengthen the soviet position before the imminent war with germany, and some say to evacuate jews though i don't think i've ever personally seen any literature to back that up.

    given how close the war ended up being even if one were to say these annexations were horrible crimes i think it's very easy to accept them as having been necessary

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      :reddit-logo: Akshully the USSR should have let Nazi Germany have all of Poland instead of half of it. Tankies argue that the Soviet annexation of Eastern Poland might have shielded that half the country from genocide, but we know that's not true because gommunism and Nazism are just as bad.

      • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        The area that the Soviets took from Poland were mostly areas that Poland had seized from Ukraine during the Russian Revolution.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Poor Makhno. The end of his life was really sad. Like he was sick and unable to work towards the end. Apparently he was an asshole and hard to deal with, but even so, what friends he had could barely scrape together enough money to keep him and his family alive. He deserved more than that, whatever you think about his politics.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Stalin shooting 100,000 or so Poles for political reasons and the Nazis murdering three million ethnic Poles and three million Jewish Poles are exactly the same thing and equally bad. This is a real belief that many in Eastern Europe and around the West hold.

        • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          False equivalence undergirds their entire ideology. It is the table upon which the house of cards is assembled.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      some say to evacuate jews

      I've never seen anything to suggest that was a goal, but i do know that almost all the Jews in Eastern Europe who survived did so by fleeing to the USSR.

      • CetaceanPosadist
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        2 years ago

        i haven't either but it's the kind of thing where while there's almost no way it was the primary motivation behind the occupation of Poland it's just hard to imagine someone in the soviet decision making process not even thinking about it being one of the benefits

  • ToastGhost [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    hmm i wonder who in central and eastern europe they could have been fighting in the 1940s?

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      My favorite thing about the Baltics is that they Nazis planned to deport, exterminate, or just assimilate them out of existence, but they're still very proud of their Nazi collaboration and very upset at the USSR for essentially saving them, even if Stalin did deport a few of them later.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Remember this because it's being aggressively written out of history right now.

      Lol more Ukrainians wanted to retain the USSR than Russians.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Strange how the Axis powers that were invaded by the US are now its best friends :soviet-hmm:

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      idk the US just blew up Germany's main source of gas just before winter because it was a little too Russian.

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        They were going along with us on sanctioning Russia despite that also sabotaging their own economy - the CIA just wanted to make sure they didn't get cold feet (pun intended).