I think WW2 definitely still happens, but instead of appeasement and then fighting the Nazis in North Africa, it's a more clearly defined struggle between the socialists and the capitalists. Hard to say if it happens earlier, later, or at about the same time, though.
But a war not happening also hinges on the capitalist world not attacking first. In our reality they backed out of the Russian Civil War after invading and failing - but if Germany goes red, a much more developed and much closer country, I could see the calculus of world leaders being different.
the entente wouldn't leave the spartakists alone if they became successful, and there's not much the french left could do to prevent the (possibly autonomous) movement of entente occupation forces already in germany against it. they were unwilling to start a protracted war, but not averse to strangling a revolution in the cradle
If Germany goes red, the fact that the frontlines of the previous, incredibly unpopular war, would be returned to may just be enough to push those same soldiers over, especially given some good propagandizing on the revolution's behalf. I imagine it degrading into a European wide Civil War/ Revolution
I don't disagree with the premise but the US and western powers did a whole lot diplomatically and economically to support Franco as well. Removing Germany from the equation would have made a republican victory more likely but not necessarily a foregone conclusion. Definitely would have shaken up the sides in the coming world war as well and who knows how that would've played out
eh. I mean, if we're really going there, the time machine itself is so powerful that changing historical events probably isn't even necessary. but I guess there's an implicit assumption of like "you only have enough power to use it once" or something?
Still, I think the most effective thing would ultimately be to enrich yourself, take power, and then use that power to establish global communism.
If we further assume that you can't "play the protagonist", like, you get half and hour to talk and then you're back to your own time... idk... I would probably try to give them enough knowledge to skip the Capitalism stage and move from Feudalism to communism by getting to post-scarcity without going through capitalism first?
Yeah. You'd pretty much have to literally give Rosa a couple of Gundams for things to work. The Freikorps had them so ridiculously outnumbered and outgunned there wasn't going to be a military victory.
Woke: Going back to 70 BC and tipping the Third Servile War in favor of Spartacus and his rebels, ending the Roman Empire centuries early and altering the course of history.
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I think WW2 definitely still happens, but instead of appeasement and then fighting the Nazis in North Africa, it's a more clearly defined struggle between the socialists and the capitalists. Hard to say if it happens earlier, later, or at about the same time, though.
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But a war not happening also hinges on the capitalist world not attacking first. In our reality they backed out of the Russian Civil War after invading and failing - but if Germany goes red, a much more developed and much closer country, I could see the calculus of world leaders being different.
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the entente wouldn't leave the spartakists alone if they became successful, and there's not much the french left could do to prevent the (possibly autonomous) movement of entente occupation forces already in germany against it. they were unwilling to start a protracted war, but not averse to strangling a revolution in the cradle
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If Germany goes red, the fact that the frontlines of the previous, incredibly unpopular war, would be returned to may just be enough to push those same soldiers over, especially given some good propagandizing on the revolution's behalf. I imagine it degrading into a European wide Civil War/ Revolution
yis mosolini wuld stil b ther & mayb frankio 2
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idonut kno histry im litrly a brd covrd n shet thnxu 4 leson y ez thes tho
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I don't disagree with the premise but the US and western powers did a whole lot diplomatically and economically to support Franco as well. Removing Germany from the equation would have made a republican victory more likely but not necessarily a foregone conclusion. Definitely would have shaken up the sides in the coming world war as well and who knows how that would've played out
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I thought the Spartacus Uprising was when all those slaves claimed to be Spartacus in solidarity.
Edit: Seriously though, TIL. Neat.
Asktually, the correct name is the Spartacist uprising or January uprising :debate-me-debate-me:
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eh. I mean, if we're really going there, the time machine itself is so powerful that changing historical events probably isn't even necessary. but I guess there's an implicit assumption of like "you only have enough power to use it once" or something?
Still, I think the most effective thing would ultimately be to enrich yourself, take power, and then use that power to establish global communism.
If we further assume that you can't "play the protagonist", like, you get half and hour to talk and then you're back to your own time... idk... I would probably try to give them enough knowledge to skip the Capitalism stage and move from Feudalism to communism by getting to post-scarcity without going through capitalism first?
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:chomsky-yes-honey:
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Yeah. You'd pretty much have to literally give Rosa a couple of Gundams for things to work. The Freikorps had them so ridiculously outnumbered and outgunned there wasn't going to be a military victory.
Broke: Making the Spartacist Uprising succeed
Woke: Going back to 70 BC and tipping the Third Servile War in favor of Spartacus and his rebels, ending the Roman Empire centuries early and altering the course of history.