Not sure why I got banned in the first place, but I think it was from linking to an episode of The Dollop. IIRC I got banned from /r/communism101 for saying something slightly positive about Gorbachev (sure, go ahead a call me a lib -- it was like 3 years ago). Either way it seems that the mods think that communism began and ended with Lenin.
I was going to keep poking them but Matt said something on his cushvlog about how trolling isn't praxis and I felt called out
Enforcing a degree of ideological consistency is reasonable, but this is religion, not politics. And honestly, that would be fine if they weren’t essentially squatting in a space that should be open to a wider array of perspectives. You’re absolutely right, they should be modding /r/Leninism rather than pretending that their specific dogma is the sum total of legitimate communist philosophy.
More and more I’m seeing why CTH, shitposty and lib-ridden as it was, was so successful overall.
Right. Opportunists need to be smacked upside the head, but if you truly believe Marxism is a science, you have to allow people to reach the same conclusions on their own terms - or fuck - even disagree on certain points if they have the evidence and analysis to back up their case.
People have been trying to discredit the Marxist canon for nearly two centuries. The evidence supporting it is overwhelming. The average person needs guidance and education, not an ultimatum.
It’s also reasonable for any science or discipline to advance and change over time, but generally it does so through discovering new avenues of study or refining existing understanding. What we know about, say, physics has changed a lot over the years, but it’s usually in the context of learning more about the world and adding that learning to the existing knowledge, and occasionally tossing out some flawed aspect of understanding, but at the end of the day, there’s no real chance that someone is going to be like “Wow, turns out those laws of thermodynamics were way off.”
Same with Marxist theory. Trying to apply something like labor theory of value in a specific and quantitative way can end up in weird places and not really work out (depending on what you’re trying to prove), but the fundamental concept that value is created when labor does things, and that extraction of surplus value is roughly where “profit” comes from in a capitalist framework, isn’t going to just suddenly stop being valid, and if you have so little faith in those fundamentals that you can’t let people arrive at those conclusions on their own, then not only are you alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic, you’re dismissing the possibility that they might have something meaningful to contribute, either to the discipline itself or in the application and/or framing.
Dogma is a problem because it represents stagnation, not because dogma can’t be correct. Letting people question dogma allows for greater understanding and broadens support as people come to realize that it makes sense. Not letting people question dogma leads to alienation and isolation.
Let's all get baptized into the cult of Lenin, grow goatees, wear flat caps, and own cats
As an anarchist sounds cool tbh
I think everyone unironically needs a flat cap collection. Say a winter and summer one at the very least.
To be a Leninite I just need some flat caps? Good...very good.
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Enforcing a degree of ideological consistency is reasonable for a party. This is essentially just that bit from a Chapo call-in episode where they get a call from the Park Slope revolutionary committee or whatever it's called (wish I could find that clip/episode, it rocks)
I agree. I was just trying to be generous. It’s dumb, for sure, but if you start a club you can decide to have rules if you want them. They become limiting very quickly. In this case, to the point of parody. I prefer the CTH method of letting anyone show up and then ruthlessly mock them if they say stupid shit, only banning people who are clearly trolling.
dont kid yourself, CTH did the same shit if you started posting about the uyghur genocide, regardless of what you said. anything that isnt "lol so fake" got you banned. i laughed so hard when i got banned like a week before the whole thing got shit-canned because they were such shitheads.
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