From a... idk... personal dignity perspective? this is a violation of another person's dignity. You're turning them in to an object to be consumed without their knowledge or consent. It's dehumanizing. I'd argue it constitutes a form of social violence.
From a harm perspective we've been talking about the potential for deepfake videos to be used for nefarious purposes for years. Someone could produce one of these fake pictures are use it to blackmail a victim. They could release it in a public venue and use it to destroy someone's reputation. You might be able to call this making blackmail material and use blackmail laws.
Regardless of what we call it or how we do it, this is clearly a new category of criminal behavior that existing laws, and arguably morals, has never seriously accounted for. Producing not just images, but images indistinguishable from real photographs, has never been practical before. It required experts, specialist tools, and a great deal of time.
It is, and the hostility in every single one of your comments in this post confirms that it is. You may not like artists for whatever reason but they're workers just like we are and their labor deserves to be properly compensated.
the deserve fair comp but that doesn't mean you turn around and defend liberal ideas about intellectual property
it's not about the treats I don't care about the damn treats i'm too busy making my own stuff for free to care about entertainment media products i'm not gonna watch. if you're gonna accuse me of something at least make it credible.
And no one is "defending IP". Learn the difference between owning the concept of a character/story and owning the actual art you make. A painting is not IP, it is a material creation that should be owned by its creator. AI isnt "stealing" ideas from people, its taking the data from actual art itself.
Its like if I traced someone elses drawing and sold it as my own.
I *am * sing pre-made art assets but those were included in a retail software product and the artists who made these textures and animations were exploited in the boring old fashioned way of work for-hire long before this ai stuff popped up as a commercially viable product. oh and i don't owe those guys anything ya lib.
The way Ligma and Catgirl are maligning others as "not communist" or "not materialist" enough for just being wary of and critiquing this technology... it feels very personal lol
Even ignoring the personal attachment... its just a weirdly wrong analysis of the situation.
The whole calling artists petty bourgeois and equating protecting their livelihoods to worshiping "IP law", it really reminds me of the patsoc line about baristas not being real proles.
Bringing it into the real world is probably worse, the culture of doing that to begin with even just in people's imaginations probably wasn't great for society either.
this still sounds like the problem is some of the things people do with the doctored image but not all of the things they do with it.
like, we all agree writing fanfic about real celebrities is fucken weird and gross, but i don't think there's any harm in the adam/jamie weirdos or whatever... until you start sending it to the actual people or posting it in public somewhere they'd see it and people bother them about it... and the problem there is everything after the art, not the art itself.
From a... idk... personal dignity perspective? this is a violation of another person's dignity. You're turning them in to an object to be consumed without their knowledge or consent. It's dehumanizing. I'd argue it constitutes a form of social violence.
From a harm perspective we've been talking about the potential for deepfake videos to be used for nefarious purposes for years. Someone could produce one of these fake pictures are use it to blackmail a victim. They could release it in a public venue and use it to destroy someone's reputation. You might be able to call this making blackmail material and use blackmail laws.
Regardless of what we call it or how we do it, this is clearly a new category of criminal behavior that existing laws, and arguably morals, has never seriously accounted for. Producing not just images, but images indistinguishable from real photographs, has never been practical before. It required experts, specialist tools, and a great deal of time.
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it's not about treats you ridiculous clown
It is, and the hostility in every single one of your comments in this post confirms that it is. You may not like artists for whatever reason but they're workers just like we are and their labor deserves to be properly compensated.
the deserve fair comp but that doesn't mean you turn around and defend liberal ideas about intellectual property
it's not about the treats I don't care about the damn treats i'm too busy making my own stuff for free to care about entertainment media products i'm not gonna watch. if you're gonna accuse me of something at least make it credible.
And no one is "defending IP". Learn the difference between owning the concept of a character/story and owning the actual art you make. A painting is not IP, it is a material creation that should be owned by its creator. AI isnt "stealing" ideas from people, its taking the data from actual art itself.
Its like if I traced someone elses drawing and sold it as my own.
no it's like if you traced one line each out of millions of paintings and put them together with a computer.
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Thats the treats part. The ai generated images are the cheap treats made at the expense of artists.
i'm not making ai art lmfao.
I *am * sing pre-made art assets but those were included in a retail software product and the artists who made these textures and animations were exploited in the boring old fashioned way of work for-hire long before this ai stuff popped up as a commercially viable product. oh and i don't owe those guys anything ya lib.
keep making shit up about me though it's funny.
The way Ligma and Catgirl are maligning others as "not communist" or "not materialist" enough for just being wary of and critiquing this technology... it feels very personal lol
E: Add Redbolshevik in there too
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Even ignoring the personal attachment... its just a weirdly wrong analysis of the situation.
The whole calling artists petty bourgeois and equating protecting their livelihoods to worshiping "IP law", it really reminds me of the patsoc line about baristas not being real proles.
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Bringing it into the real world is probably worse, the culture of doing that to begin with even just in people's imaginations probably wasn't great for society either.
this still sounds like the problem is some of the things people do with the doctored image but not all of the things they do with it.
like, we all agree writing fanfic about real celebrities is fucken weird and gross, but i don't think there's any harm in the adam/jamie weirdos or whatever... until you start sending it to the actual people or posting it in public somewhere they'd see it and people bother them about it... and the problem there is everything after the art, not the art itself.