• chmos [any]
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    4 years ago

    "foreign hordes"
    Literally an American Indian. Amazing.

  • bigbologna [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    A little while ago I watched someone stream playing Bioshock Infinite for the first time. When he was a little ways into the game when it was just all about how racist Columbia is he said "people told me they don't like this game's politics" and made a face because so far the game's politics amounted to "racism is bad, here are some ways that americans are racist, which is bad".

    And then he got halfway through the game when Booker unprompted says Daisy and Comstock are basically identical and you could see him slowly realize over the next 30 minutes that the game isn't about how racism is bad but instead about how killing racists trying to kill you is only okay if you're a WASP with magic powers.

      • bigbologna [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        It was a couple of Tyler McVicker streams. It's been a bit since I've watched them though so I think I might be editorializing his reaction.

        edit: I went back to check the vods and actually I did exaggerate quite a bit, sorry. If you're curious, this were his initial thoughts and this was his reaction, and that was basically it aside from going "What the fuck do they mean by that" when Elizabeth says basically the same thing as Booker, and then groaning when the Vox finally start fighting you.

  • Funicio [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It's weird because I think Burial at Sea, by retconning Daisy Fitzroy to not be a child murderer, kind of fixed some of the enlightened centrist political issues, but it made the story weaker in general. So I don't know how to feel about it.

    • ComradeMikey [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      also if you listened to anyone in rapture it instantly makes you hate ancaps

      • Funicio [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The random NPCs' dialogue in Battleship Bay about how racist they are is a bit on the nose but it achieves the same effect.

      • Funicio [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Right. I don't really know how they could've kept the theme of like, multiverse sci-fi crap on the same page as the usual Bioshock political commentary, but as it is the game is a mess where the two main concepts the game explores are completely unrelated and don't work with each other at all, even disregarding the actual politics. Very different from Bioshock 1, where it was shown that even in an ideal scenario in an ideal sociopolitical context for a libertarian utopia to arise, it will still devour itself.

  • communistthrowaway69 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    One of the things the game remarks on (which is literally true) is that actual America is much worse than Columbia in this respect.

  • DrStrangeBalls [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Wasn't there some dumbshit reactionary anti-immigration group that used that image as part of its branding, thinking it was legit?

  • IfIDontKnowNoOneDoes [undecided,any]
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    4 years ago

    I just replayed Bioshock 1 which I hadn't played since I had shitty politics and goddamn I'm honestly surprised a game with such a high budget had such decent politics. Thinking of replaying the other games too, although I remember always having mixed feelings about Infinite

    • ProfessionalSlacker
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      4 years ago

      See I went back and played it recently and I think its politics are worse than I remember. It gets all this credit for being anti-Libertarian, but there's a lot of the nihilistic "both sides" stuff that made Bioshock Infinite kinda shitty. It portrays both the capitalist elite led by Ryan and the worker rebellion led by Fontaine as two sides of the same coin, competing interests that are led into conflict by tyrants seeking to put themselves in power. There's this misanthropic attitude in Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite that any and every cause is necessarily corrupted by the flaws of people and you have to remove yourself from their squabbles, which is why I actually think that the game idealizes Andrew Ryan's vision and simply believes that humans are too foul to ever achieve it.

    • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Definitely replay all of them, especially 2 (My personal favorite) and the Minerva's Den DLC.

      Even tho it's the weakest of the 3 imo, Infinite (And the Burial at Sea DLCs) are overall still great.

        • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Something about it just really clicked with me. The gameplay is overall improved (You can use plasmids and weapons at the same time for example) and I just loved the levels in it as well as how the story focuses on a father/daughter relationship.

          Please play it.

          You won't regret it, I promise you.

          • Aklangi [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            It's been 10 years (!?) since I played it but i do fondly remember arguing with plenty of people that 2 was the best. I did love the big sisters both in design and story.