Why the fuck are there leftists out there who recommend this bloated CIA adjacent fuck?

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    I didn't claim he was directly CIA, I claimed he was CIA adjacent, which is true, no American would know who he was without the translations and publications thru The University of Chicago Press

    • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Ah yes, I forgot that Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, who describes herself as a "practical Marxist-feminist-deconstructionist" and translated Derrida's Of Grammatology into English (which is his chief work and a major source of his fame in the Anglosphere), was a well known CIA asset amongst her checks notes stringent criticisms of imperialism and colonialism and her group breaking work on subaltern studies, using the texts of Gramsci and Derrida to examine how Western liberal thought doesn't even view non-Westerners as full people.

      EDIT: Also your University of Chicago Press comment is just untrue; they didn't publish any work of Derrida until 1978, at least two decades after he achieved fame in the Anglosphere. See here: https://press.uchicago.edu/books/derrida/derridatitles.html

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        Ah yes, I forgot that Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, who describes herself as a “practical Marxist-feminist-deconstructionist”

        Ok well I never called her a CIA asset, I'm calling the French clique post-1968 CIA assets or CIA adjacent, which they were, am I using the word "adjacent" wrong, I'm not saying the mf was conscious of the platforming he was given

        at least two decades after he achieved fame in the Anglosphere

        Give me a break the earliest example of "fame" among anglos you can ascribe him is the Searle–Derrida debate 1972, and to be honest he didn't come out lookin too good on that occasion

        Don't try and tell me he was famous in anglo-land in 1964 when he was a random philosophy professor in the University of Paris

        • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Bruv this is straight from his Wikipedia page:

          With "Structure, Sign, and Play in the Discourse of the Human Sciences", his contribution to a 1966 colloquium on structuralism at Johns Hopkins University, his work began to gain international prominence.

          After this conference he gave many lectures of various American universities like NYU and Berkley. By 1975 the dude was a professor at Yale from Christ's sake! This is all before the University of Chicago Press had published literally any work by him. I will say I did the math wrong though lol, should be one decade not two.

        • Cayman [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          literally doesn't mention Derrida once lmao and only points to two dudes, Bernard-Henri Levi and Andre Glucksmann. It does say "The New Philosophers more than compensated for their often abstruse prose by becoming exciting media personalities, defending their points of view in the long, intellectualized television and radio programs that the French relish" well by their own admission OP you are also engaging in CIA adjacent behavior :shocked-pikachu:

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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            2 years ago

            Ok heres another, you want to tell me Derrida didn't hang in any of these circles, well goddamn he must've been the only frog who slipped thru the cracks, I guess his friendship with Habermas was just a weird ass anomaly