looking at the account's history I'm pretty certain its a long-game bit but satire is dead and buried in a ditch somewhere and americans really do think like this

og tweet and juniper's tweet i stole this from

  • RION [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    I watched Breaking Bad recently and one of the things I knew going in was that Skyler was supposed to be an "annoying bitch" because the show needed to make you hate her.

    Imagine my surprise when she just reacts very authentically to being forced into a series of impossible situations. I can't defend smoking while pregnant and being aware of the potential effects, but most everything else she does is totally understandable given what (and who) she's dealing with.

    Bonus BB hot take: Everyone hates Marie but I love her she's one of my favorites

    Bonus bonus BB hot take: Walt is obviously a monster for most of the show's run but I think people sometimes go too far dunking on people for sympathizing with him given how the premise is overwhelmingly set up to have you sympathize with him, then have that sympathy rot into disgust and pity alongside his transformation. Yeah he's not some sigma to idolize but you are supposed to feel sorry for him

    Bonus Better Call Saul hot take: Jimmy did a whole lot of bad things and made bad choices but I still think he was failed by many of the people in his life and if he'd had a better support network things wouldn't have gone down like that

    • Waldoz53 [he/him,any]
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      1 year ago

      ya how else is skyler supposed to react? is she supposed to go "oh ok walt, thats cool. keep making meth i guess"

      • RION [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        She's supposed to have a brief but demure and non-disruptive struggle with morality before saying "I may disagree with your decision to cook meth but I'll fight to the death for your right to do it", at which point all of Albuquerque claps and Walt hands her a crisp $100 bill

    • wild_dog [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Walt is obviously a monster for most of the show’s run but I think people sometimes go too far dunking on people for sympathizing with him given how the premise is overwhelmingly set up to have you sympathize with him, then have that sympathy rot into disgust and pity alongside his transformation. Yeah he’s not some sigma to idolize but you are supposed to feel sorry for him

      I disagree. For one, I don't think you can divorce the discourse from the social context of the time. it's inherently reactionary. people weren't really saying "oh, it sucks Walt had cancer and our country sucks so he had to sell meth." They were talking about how epic he was and how much it sucked that his wife "was a bitch." People were legit harassing the actor who played Skyler because they didn't like how "mean" she was to Walt even though both Walt and Skyler aren't real! I think it makes sense to sympathize with him for a bit but a lot of people misread the show and took their sympathy way too far. he was basically the original Rick Sanchez and we could have prevented Rick and Morty from being as annoying if we bullied the Walt stans harder when we had the chance.

      even from a sympathy standpoint, there's so many better characters to sympathize with. Jesse's right there basically the entire time and he's at least attempting to be a good person and seems way more conflicted about the morally heinous things he's done.

      also Marie is fucking funny and I never understood the hate behind her. the only bad thing about her is she married a cop.

      • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        also Marie is fucking funny and I never understood the hate behind her. the only bad thing about her is she married a cop.

        Personally I love people who literally shit their pants at the thought of someone smoking a marijuana, those are my favorite non annoying people for sure

        • wild_dog [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          that was a lot of people in 2008 or whenever this show started tho

      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        People were legit harassing the actor who played Skyler

        Do... do they not understand the concept of "acting"?

      • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I don't see how they bungled the conclusion. Everybody fucking hates his guts at the end. His own son spits on his offer of money and tells him to die. Even Jesse rejects his attempt at cathartic martyrdom and tells him to do it himself. He dies alone, in a pool of his own blood, taking solace in his vengeance because it's the only fucking thing he has left.

  • mazdak
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    1 year ago

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    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      One of my chuddiest relatives spends the majority of any time when I'm around him complaining about "things getting so political these days" and he listed some "woke" movies that he claimed he didn't hate for "prejudiced" reasons but because they didn't "follow the hero's journey." :lord-bezos-amused:

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        Maggie Mae Fish blasts into Campbell in a few of her videos and unfortunately I forget who did it but I saw a great feature length take down of thst asshole. Campbell used the literary studies equivalent of phrenology combined with a rigorous study of his own biases which he then, following the scientific method, made a bunch of shit up and called it a formula. It's just a 3 act structure but turned into something more complicated like Dan Harmon and his Story Circles. It's far from the be all and end all of how even western stories have operated including non modern classical literature.

    • ComradeLove [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Read something about how Bezos was really involved in Prime Video original content and was always making sure it had Joseph Campbell's hero's journey.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    :soypoint-1: THOSE BLOOD SOAKED BLUE CURTAINS ARE AMAZING :soypoint-2:

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Blue curtains and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    You're supposed to root for him a little at the beginning and then less and less as he turns himself into a monster to satisfy his arrogance

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    My 9th grade English teacher score me wrong on a test for not saying the protagonist is the good guy. I had to go get a dictionary and point to the definition.

  • D61 [any]
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    1 year ago

    Given the amount of things that we hear about but never were actually taught, I get it.

    I was probably in my 30's before realizing that protag/antag didn't mean, hero/villain.

    • MaoistLandlord [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      they need to give out books to students where hitler is the protagonist so they understand it doesn't always mean good guy :very-smart:

  • plinky [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Empathy and sympathy are easy to confuse :edgeworth-shrug:

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    It's clearly a joke?

    Or trolling. Either way not worth paying attention to imo

  • CommunistBear [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    I still haven't finished Breaking Bad after all these years because I got so frustrated with Walt that I stopped at the beginning of the last season and couldn't be bothered

    • wild_dog [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      the rest of the show is good but if you're frustrated with Walt already then you'd probably end up hating the last episode and probably a lot of what happens in the other ones you haven't seen.

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      I thought it was great specifically because of that. The ruthless demon got away with it because he was willing to let everyone else die in the dirt for his short-term goals. Classic American story 10/10.

    • Goblinmancer [any]
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      1 year ago

      Yep it felt walter white got everything he wanted when he dies.

      -killed the skinheads and lydia -ensured money is sent to his children. -avoided seeing a prison cell.

    • ComradeLove [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Cool coincidence that two of the world's most loved antiheroes, Walter White and Bojack ended their shows with songs featuring the color blue.

    • RION [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      I mean his wife, son, and sister-in-law all hate his guts and his brother-in-law died because of him. His daughter will grow up knowing her father as a criminal. Of course he was doing it all to feed his ego, but he still cared about his family, and died without their love or even their respect.

      Maybe he didn't lose, but I wouldn't count it as an unqualified win

    • AlkaliMarxist
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      1 year ago

      I think they went way to far to “restore” White’s “honour” and that it makes the final season the weakest.