Are there other hobbyists that literally go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot every chance they get? It's legit baffling.

  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I asked my brother (he plays 40k) why the players don't just use tokens and apparently official gaming places won't allow them and most of the players (who did actually buy them) won't play against players using tokens.

    • lurkerlady [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      people hate prints too. but i hate those evil bastards and if they try to pick up my minis to weigh them and feel if they are fake i pull out my :the-doohickey: for violating my rights as an esteemed owner of super special plastic toy soldiers

      also its funny. i pointed to my whole necron army once and said 'half are gw and half are printed, figure out which ones'. and the guy made this big show moutfeeling my models and claiming which ones were GW and which were printed, and then i told him they were all printed and i played them at many tournaments without even the official gw representatives from the UK noticing :troll:

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          There are, and it's very funny because the game really is pretty poorly designed and can't be that competitive. GW themselves have said in the past that they make cool minis (:citations-needed:) first and rules second.

          • shath [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            oh but this next edition will be the one we promise give us your money paypig

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              IIRC the Index Period of 8th was actually pretty decent balance-wise, so we might get lucky and see a repeat, but it will inevitably go to shit once they start printing codices.

              • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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                2 years ago

                I'm still shocked anyone puts up with GWs shit, but I know it's because they have a death grip on the game shops where people socialize.

          • lurkerlady [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            its pretty unbalanced, i find it fun though. top meta armies have 60% winrates at times which in a competitive video game would be generally unacceptable for any balance team.

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Oh I find it fun, but as someone who enjoys "casual competitive" (using matched play or tempest rules, but not super meta lists) it can really struggle. This is made much worse when the game is only even remotely balanced at 2k unless someone deliberately nerfs their own list, which means you need quite the investment of time and money to actually be able to play the "proper game".

              Also stratagems are bad.

              • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                I've never played 40k, but one thing that kind of sounds unfortunate about it is that the point buy is apparently low enough that many of the giant mech units basically almost never see play (or so I've heard)

                • barrbaric [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Titans (the $750-$2000 giant mechs that almost nobody has) never see play except in custom games or the entire separate faster-paced large-scale game called Apocalypse, but Knights (and Chaos Knights) are dedicated factions of pretty-big mechs.

                  For comparison, the cheapest titan, the warhound, is 2000 points, which is the size of an entire army for the standard game, while the most expensive, the warlord, is 5500. Meanwhile, the smaller knights range from 400-ish for the gallant to 600-ish for the crusader, and you would typically run several smaller armigers that are around 150 points each as well, so you can cram some mechs into standard games.

                  Frankly the bigger problems are the price tag and that the build quality of the titans (which are resin, not plastic) is notoriously shit.

                  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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                    2 years ago

                    I feel like a game where each side fields basically an imperator titan (and many assorted mechs) and its equivalent from any other faction (I think only chaos and orks have something that big?) would be awesome to watch. I saw an imperator 'mini' once (picture only) and that thing is gigantic (and I can imagine a pain to move around).

                    Unfortunately realistically speaking.....40k is probably kind of dull to watch, and listening to both sides play the game....it doesn't sound fun to play either.

                • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  The Mechs are unbalaned as hell. Either they go first and nuke half your army, or they go second and you focus them down on turn 1. The way the game is structured is a mess.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          There are tournaments for every competitive game imaginable and quite a few you wouldn't believe if I told you about them.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Tbh if you wanted to play 40k without using minis you should probably just play it on Tabletop Sim. Not to mention most people enjoy the hobby part of building and painting their little army men. Proxies are pretty frequently accepted, though to what degree varies group by group.

    • hes_fired [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Not played in years but tokens kinda make scenery pointless back when I did. You needed to know if the model was in full, partial or no cover and hit rolls were based on that. A lot of my tactical play invovled popping out from behind trees and taking fortified areas. Rules might have changed tho idk

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        True LoS is still a thing, but in reality most things can either go base-to-base LoS or are a vehicle in which case you just need a rectangle.

    • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It's the same for printed magic cards. You can get basically 1:1 replicas of magic cards for waaaaay cheaper than their market price but dipshit elitist gamers don't allow it because wizards of the coast needs to please their investors

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      21 days ago

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      • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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        2 years ago

        The only Fortnite skin I have is the og skull trooper so now I get to be the bully

        Oh and the galaxy skin you got for buying a note 9