Are there other hobbyists that literally go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot every chance they get? It's legit baffling.
If whatever crypto people have been for the last few years count as consumers, I nominate them.
the continued existence of pre-ordering for digital games is a very stark example of just how mindless and stupid gamers are
Gamers have the same mentality as anti vegans. I remember when I told my coworkers I went veg one said "I'm going to eat twice as much meat to make up for you" and I just said "cool bro you're going to die really early"
Same thing as when I said I wasn't going to buy wizard game "dw I bought a copy for a friend just to spite you" like okay dawg stay winnin I guess
Imagine a world where Steve Bannon was beheaded at the age of like 13 or something, video games would probably not be a bigoted bootlicking money siphon.
The average gamer is 35, there's about a 50/50 chance they're a woman, and they're probably playing fairly casual games on their smartphone.
That's just someone who plays games. Gamer has almost become a more specific identity based around consuming. I'm not calling my grandpa playing solitaire a gamer.
The type of guy who buys an Alienware to reduce their ping.
Alienware
Today when I walked into my economics class I saw something I dread every time I close my eyes. Someone had brought their new gaming laptop to class. The Forklift he used to bring it was still running idle at the back. I started sweating as I sat down and gazed over at the 700lb beast that was his laptop. He had already reinforced his desk with steel support beams and was in the process of finding an outlet for a power cable thicker than Amy Schumer's thigh. I start shaking. I keep telling myself I'm going to be alright and that there's nothing to worry about. He somehow finds a fucking outlet. Tears are running down my cheeks as I send my last texts to my family saying I love them. The teacher starts the lecture, and the student turns his laptop on. The colored lights on his RGB Backlit keyboard flare to life like a nuclear flash, and a deep humming fills my ears and shakes my very soul. The entire city power grid goes dark. The classroom begins to shake as the massive fans begin to spin. In mere seconds my world has gone from vibrant life, to a dark, earth shattering void where my body is getting torn apart by the 150mph gale force winds and the 500 decibel groan of the cooling fans. As my body finally surrenders, I weep, as my school and my city go under. I fucking hate gaming laptops.
And for as expensive and power consuming that laptop is it probably still constantly thermal throttles and can't hit decent fps in fortnite lol
I’m going to eat twice as much meat to make up for you
That's just a misquoted maddox joke from like 2004. Sounds like a cool person :yikes:
LOL Maddox.
His piece on how adventure games committed suicide is a legit internet hall of fame classic. I remember reading the lady's bio who wrote the puzzle he ridiculed and she wrote her entire Wikipedia bio as a lawyerly defense against that 20 year old column.
His piece on how adventure games committed suicide
which one is that? I don't remember it
Wow. She cleaned Wikipedia so thoroughly that there's not even a link to the Maddox piece on the Wikipedia article dedicated to how infamous and stupid the puzzle was. Boy, that really got to her.
And after searching, I can't find the piece. It seems Google removed it, or heavily penalized it so that it won't appear in searches.
Nintendo went to court in Europe to prevent people from cancelling digital preorders and :freeze-gamer:s will still lick their boots
They did lose, but they really didn't want to miss out on that free money.
One of those things that was "fine" in principle, back when the idea of a finished game as actualy a serious concept and not just a scam.
Capitalists broke one of their own legitimate good ways to ensure smooth launches and smoother capital flow because they are both stupid and too greedy.
One of those things that was “fine” in principle, back when the idea of a finished game as actualy a serious concept and not just a scam.
I don't think that's ever been a thing. Day 1 patches have been a thing since the internet really took off.
Honestly, they're just the most stupid you hear about most often online. But normie consumers are just as bad if not worse. Pissing away money into ridiculous beauty products that are desperately trying to stop you from looking human, worse because it props up toxic beauty standards in society, and there's literally hundreds of them. Same with people who think they're above others for buying designer brands or brands in general. Walking around being a free billboard for your favourite companies, and you spent $300 on it? How cool! Then there's people who neeeeeeeeeeed the newest iPhone so badly that it makes me lose respect for them in real time.
Gonna invest huge amounts of money in a piece of plastic that will disintegrate within 20 years if kept in a sealed box in a dry, climate controlled environment.
Yeah if it's how hard they're being had on an individual basis, audiophiles are up there.
In terms of scale I think there's a definite argument for gamers.
Analog audiophiles are literally just the same kind of people who judge the taste of wine by the price tag.
"I can hear the difference!" They keep saying despite falling for a dozen different "analog only" vinyl companies that use digital somewhere cause its literally just objectively more efficient and indistinguishable.
They recently sued one of these companies who invented a process that makes less vinyls for more money, but has less in-between steps between master and finished vinyl. Then it turned out they actually made a digital recording of the master tapes because otherwise they were gonna start harming them due to fucking with them all the time.
But no, this ruined their value, both due to using digital and cause it meant that the supply wasn't going to be limited by the tapes disintegrating eventually.
I bought a tube schiit stack for $120, it sounds literally exactly the same as my e10k I got for $40 7 years ago but it sure does look fancy
nah. the overwhelming majority of people who call themselves that are using lamp cord and whatever sounds good.
to listen to music, an objectively more artistic medium with a much longer history and deeper connection to human culture.
theyre better than gamers.
Yes. They're equally as fucking stupid as every other consumer. You find dipshit consumers in literally every market. Just look at "audiophiles" and all the money they keep wasting on their bullshit, even though it's been proven time and time again that they can't actually hear the difference between $300 "Monster Cables" and a fucking wire coat hanger
Audiophiles aren't the ones buying monster cables, those are marketed to people with more money than sense.
Agreed. Monster cables are solid low hanging fruit for examples of dumb consumers but I'd object to a characterization of them as a staple of audiophiles or proof that audiophiles are completely full of shit.
I'd be curious to see a study about whether audiophiles can actually get anything out of the more expensive headphones and/or where the diminishing returns actually start but even most audiophiles I know realize that monster cables are dumb.
Calling those people audiophiles is like calling Leinenkugel fans "craft beer nerds"
Again, yes, correct
Only loser nerds identify as audiophiles and nobody over the age of 30 can stand craft beer nerds
Are Warhammer 40k players considered gamers?
Otherwise, vinyl collectors
At least Poorhammer is cool enough to tell their audience to just print their minis
tbh anyone buying shit straight from GW is a massive idiot. for the price of one GW box you can get a printer and resin and print many whole ass armies for the same price with the many bootleg 1-1 models out there. or you could just play one page rules with paper cut outs :shrug-outta-hecks:
and all the absolute bootlicking dweebs that say resin is of poorer quality, there is proof that GW is 3d printing one off models en masse to save on price. they literally could be selling the STLs but rubes are keeping their dumb model afloat
I asked my brother (he plays 40k) why the players don't just use tokens and apparently official gaming places won't allow them and most of the players (who did actually buy them) won't play against players using tokens.
people hate prints too. but i hate those evil bastards and if they try to pick up my minis to weigh them and feel if they are fake i pull out my :the-doohickey: for violating my rights as an esteemed owner of super special plastic toy soldiers
also its funny. i pointed to my whole necron army once and said 'half are gw and half are printed, figure out which ones'. and the guy made this big show moutfeeling my models and claiming which ones were GW and which were printed, and then i told him they were all printed and i played them at many tournaments without even the official gw representatives from the UK noticing :troll:
There are, and it's very funny because the game really is pretty poorly designed and can't be that competitive. GW themselves have said in the past that they make cool minis (:citations-needed:) first and rules second.
oh but this next edition will be the one we promise give us your money paypig
IIRC the Index Period of 8th was actually pretty decent balance-wise, so we might get lucky and see a repeat, but it will inevitably go to shit once they start printing codices.
I'm still shocked anyone puts up with GWs shit, but I know it's because they have a death grip on the game shops where people socialize.
its pretty unbalanced, i find it fun though. top meta armies have 60% winrates at times which in a competitive video game would be generally unacceptable for any balance team.
Oh I find it fun, but as someone who enjoys "casual competitive" (using matched play or tempest rules, but not super meta lists) it can really struggle. This is made much worse when the game is only even remotely balanced at 2k unless someone deliberately nerfs their own list, which means you need quite the investment of time and money to actually be able to play the "proper game".
Also stratagems are bad.
I've never played 40k, but one thing that kind of sounds unfortunate about it is that the point buy is apparently low enough that many of the giant mech units basically almost never see play (or so I've heard)
Titans (the $750-$2000 giant mechs that almost nobody has) never see play except in custom games or the entire separate faster-paced large-scale game called Apocalypse, but Knights (and Chaos Knights) are dedicated factions of pretty-big mechs.
For comparison, the cheapest titan, the warhound, is 2000 points, which is the size of an entire army for the standard game, while the most expensive, the warlord, is 5500. Meanwhile, the smaller knights range from 400-ish for the gallant to 600-ish for the crusader, and you would typically run several smaller armigers that are around 150 points each as well, so you can cram some mechs into standard games.
Frankly the bigger problems are the price tag and that the build quality of the titans (which are resin, not plastic) is notoriously shit.
I feel like a game where each side fields basically an imperator titan (and many assorted mechs) and its equivalent from any other faction (I think only chaos and orks have something that big?) would be awesome to watch. I saw an imperator 'mini' once (picture only) and that thing is gigantic (and I can imagine a pain to move around).
Unfortunately realistically speaking.....40k is probably kind of dull to watch, and listening to both sides play the game....it doesn't sound fun to play either.
The Mechs are unbalaned as hell. Either they go first and nuke half your army, or they go second and you focus them down on turn 1. The way the game is structured is a mess.
There are tournaments for every competitive game imaginable and quite a few you wouldn't believe if I told you about them.
Not played in years but tokens kinda make scenery pointless back when I did. You needed to know if the model was in full, partial or no cover and hit rolls were based on that. A lot of my tactical play invovled popping out from behind trees and taking fortified areas. Rules might have changed tho idk
True LoS is still a thing, but in reality most things can either go base-to-base LoS or are a vehicle in which case you just need a rectangle.
Tbh if you wanted to play 40k without using minis you should probably just play it on Tabletop Sim. Not to mention most people enjoy the hobby part of building and painting their little army men. Proxies are pretty frequently accepted, though to what degree varies group by group.
It's the same for printed magic cards. You can get basically 1:1 replicas of magic cards for waaaaay cheaper than their market price but dipshit elitist gamers don't allow it because wizards of the coast needs to please their investors
The only Fortnite skin I have is the og skull trooper so now I get to be the bully
Oh and the galaxy skin you got for buying a note 9
And since I resin print in my bedroom I maintain a nice body high throughout the day
tbh could probably print most things on an fdm if youre afraid of resin, its just a very good fdm for small minis will probably be more expensive than resin. regardless its cheaper to print on an fdm than resin and cheaper than gw no matter what. just make sure you have a .1mm nozzle
TFW you can't get a resin printer because you live in a studio apartment and there's nowhere near enough ventilation :sadness:
Even if 3d printing isn't an option and you don't know about recasters, just buying from any online store anywhere in the country should get you a 15% discount minimum.
I know it’s the end of the edition, but the 9th edition starter pack is like 43 bucks right now
Even if 3d printing isn’t an option and you don’t know about recasters, just buying from any online store anywhere in the country should get you a 15% discount minimum.
If recasters are the problem then play a faction that doesn't use them like orks or zergs, or even put like a little staff on a necromorph and boom, recaster (idk I don't play 40k)
Recasters are people who make recasts which is to say they make a silicon mold using official minis and then hand cast the mold in resin, creating identical copies. They're usually half-price or less, though it varies, and the quality tends to be lower. Also they're typically based out of countries that don't care about copyright law, so China, Russia, and (formerly) Ukraine.
There is so much cool shit happening on the 3d printing subreddits. People are just like "Well I was going to buy one forge world Knight but instead I bought like 4 liters of resin and now I have a 35,000 point army that I have to rent a truck to bring to the game store!@
I collect vinyl but only cuz I like having album art on my walls and it supports the musicians more
shoot themselves in the foot every chance they get
you're just begging us to talk about gun buyers and yes, they are just as bad as gamers. talk about a buncha patsies who will spend an unlimited amount of money on bullshit---everyone who spends money on fancy optics and aiming aids and new special guns because they simply cannot hit anything. but they never will because they suck & don't practice
typical petty bourgeois cracker gun enthusiast:
$4,000+ on guns
$4,000+ on optics, accessories, marginally better upgrades, and bling
$2,000+ on ammo
~3 hours at the range mag dumping every once in a while
spent extra for a don't tread on me lower and thin blue line stickers
0 emergency medical gear or training
0 community networking or mutual aid
terrified of property getting stolen or trespassed on or looked at
I have gotten in to very heated shit flinging with people who think you don't need iron sights on your rifle. It took like a week of back and forth before I found out these people, despite all the military gear and leftist aesthetics, have no interest in their rifles as anything except toys to take to the range.
if you can't understand the utility of iron sights, you definitely aren't hitting anything beyond iron sights' useful range
Fancy watch guys(and the occasional lady) come off to me as a group that would light their money on fire if they didn't have a hobby where they have to spend 5 figures to prove their loyalty, in order to be given the opportunity to spend a larger 5 figures on the thing they actually want.
Forgetting piracy and multiplayer was the greatest disaster for gamerkind
Somehow ppl are defending the new OW2 news including the battle pass saying you can still earn skins for free and like.... I had 50 hours in OW1 (I found it pretty boring and basically a Disney meme game) and I had LEGITIMATELY 30+ legendary skins from loot boxes because they handed them out like candy.
Doesn't help that the devteam are out on twitter doing "wah wah wah everything in this industry is pain the only thing that matters is what you ship" sympathy tours.
the only thing that matters is what you ship
Isn't that every industry? If I pay for a chair and you send me a broken TV from the landfill I don't really care what series of events led to you doing that lol
Game devs and publishers specifically think it's okay to sell you something they know doesn't work ahead of time, pretend like they didn't know, and then when you receive the product and find out it doesn't work, tsk tsk at you for criticizing them because delivering a broken product is hard and you should have known better than to expect they would give you a working product
It's software. Software is never finished. Idk why people think shipping broken games is a new thing. It's been that way for the last twenty years at least, and it was probably like that all the way back to Space War, I just don't remember the 90s very well.
Look you can sit on the TV it's basically what you were asking for. I don't get why people are so mad
Rockstar is notorious for crunch, like one of the most notorious studios.
I have a hunch rockstar is making so much off shark card micro transactions for GTA V that they can actually afford to improve working conditions. Slowing down development just means more time to sell shark cards.
Creative professions have more choices after a few years of experience, because in games a lot of people burn out and go to different industries. So there is a severe lack of senior talent
It's hard to get a job as a new graduate, it took me many months and I was lucky that the one offer I got worked out well.
The slow enclosure of the commons as platforms like steam and games as a service made it effectively impossible to mod and host your own servers and generally have any kind of ownership over the games has sucked hard.
Old school though hikers are a different breed. You'll have some yuppies wearing 7k of gear each and overtaking them from behind is a guy who hasn't bathed in seven weeks Wearing an ALICE pack that's have 17 owners since Vietnam and wearing a pair of birkenstocks that look brand new but were actually at Woodstock. His pocket knife was made in 1914 and his Canteen is the right pattern to have been in Crimea but htere's not way it's that old, right? Right?
Crypto NFT guys are probably dumber, or at least anyone who isn't a grifter but is actually genuinely delusional about the state of crypto/nft/metaverse shit, don't understand why people use things and for what, don't understand that people don't want to monetize shit like profile pictures etc.
There's definitely a significant amount of g*mers who will find a way to defend every terrible practice in the industry
”Lootboxes aren't so bad if they're just for cosmetics”
”Microtransactions to 'skip the grind'? Well, you don't have to buy them, they're just an option. The developers have to make money somehow (off the game they're already charging $70 for)”
”Crunch? Well, that's just good old-fashioned hard work! The developers feel even more satisfied after working so hard to ship the game! :capitalist-woke: ”
There are a bunch of people over on reddit defending Activision selling pay 2 win packages for CoD. I'm trying to kill them with my mind but nothing is happening.
What happened this time I was shoving people in lockers for supporting pay2win shit in CoD so I haven't been watching the ethical gaming journalism
Blizz announced OW2 PvE is completely cancelled. 5 years ago they announced OW1 development would cease do they could focus on PvE and now gamers will see nothing from it. There are still people defending Blizz somehow
:michael-laugh: :data-laughing: :miyazaki-laugh: :peltier-laugh:
That's fucking glorious. Overwatch really was something special and somehow blizzard is incompetent enough to have completely killed it.
God imagine how good Overwatch mechanics would go with Left 4 Dead -style campaigns. Since balance doesn't matter as much in PvE they could go hog wild with character abilities and make something truly special, but alas that wouldn't print money the way endless skins for PvP does.
Deep rock is good but man I'd appreciate a similar game that isn't completely dark. I basically only play scout because the other classes flares annoy me so much lol
I am the good scout lol I've pretty much ONLY played scout because the other classes feel so sluggish and it's very dark
Imagine killing enemies instead of just getting every resource needed in the game with your trusty ol grapple
Imagine running from rock and bugs instead of feasting heartily on both
There used to be a time where scout was the best offensive class but now they don't feel as good tbh. Maybe if I lucked into more overclocks for them
Oh they're fantastic at single-target even now, if not the best then very competitive with gunner.
I just can't turn down the offer of big flashy DoT + terrain destruction
Apparently Left for Dead still have a huge daily player count. I'm trying to think of other horde shooters that aren't really dark but they're kinda all really dark - Darktide, Aliens:Fireteam Elite, GTFO, all take place in dark environemnts.
Warframe can be pretty colorful and fun, but it's also monetization hell and extremely grindy.
You could try Helldivers. It's old, but it's in a good place. THe playerbase is small but it's there, and the gameplay is excellent. It really rewards thinking on your toes and cooperating with your team.
I played Helldivers when it came out I'm very surprised it actually seems to have blown up.
Yeah there are a few games that have done that idea, but it sure would be nice if Overwatch 2 was one of them :shrug-outta-hecks:
Feeling so blessed having never touched online gaming. Pay the service fee, then the game's service fee, then the dlc, then the pay2win shit... And on top of that you can't really pirate them properly.
It really sucks that the entertainment that is like the last possible escape from the hellworld for a lot of people is just the shittiest fucking psychological manipulation and gambling mechanics and bullshit now. Every couple of weeks my ability ignore all the abusive and dehumanizing mechanisms in modern games and I just end up staring at the machine for a few hours in a sort of vague disjointed state of dissociative terror.
