very-smart mfw I am chinawatching

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    1 year ago

    How the Chinese people truly feel about Xi and his agenda is almost impossible to determine in the absence of a free press or freedom of speech.

    Chinese people: "I like it here"

    American journalists: "You're brainwashed by the tyrannical Communist government."

    American people: "This country sucks and we're so upset that we're openly rioting"

    American journalists: "These people have been tricked by the Russians"

    • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      brain washing is literally the only possible explanation for why someone could possibly disagree with what I was told to believe.

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    China has no free press or freedom of speech

    Michael Schuman is a contributing writer for the Atlantic, based in Beijing, China

    curious-marx

    • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Also Beijing is apparently the headquarters for the Ministry of State Security, the so-called secret police of China. Strange that they haven't snatched this guy up.

    • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      I'm sure 911, Iraq, 2008 non-recovery are probably more accurate points, it's just that social media didn't exist so you only knew what mainstream media told you.

  • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    You see, when Chinese people tell you they're optimistic for the future you can't trust them. You have to cherry-pick statistics that support the exact opposite answer that you get by directly asking the question.

  • DiltoGeggins [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    An online post by the Communist Party Youth League and state broadcaster CCTV used the fate of Kong Yiji to scold the young and jobless as arrogant and lazy. Kong failed “because he couldn’t let go of the airs of a scholar and was unwilling to change his situation through labor,” the post lectured. Xi—who has said he opposes the “idleness-breeding trap of welfarism”—has told his nation’s struggling youth to learn to “eat bitterness.”

    whoa if true

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Worth mentioning that "welfarism" is not the same thing as "welfare," just like "electoralism" is not the same thing as "participating in elections," etc. At least that is the case in English -- and I am sure they would have translated it as "welfare" if they could have because that sounds worse. Idk what the nuanced meaning of the Chinese term translated as "welfarism" is though.

    • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Eat bitterness has a different context in Chinese, but Xi is definitely against the idea of welfare programs compared to other social spending

      • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        more context matters, is it because he's a dummy boomer or is it because there's tons of work to do and some random fascist empire is outside banging on your windows, doors, and walls?

        • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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          It can definitely be both! He can have views on “welfarism” that sound reactionary to Americans while his words are straight up honest about the threat and necessity of hard work. You can see the press slavering at the “lie flat movement” or any hint that Chinese youth will abandon the party’s goals of socialism and growth apart from the western model

          • ssjmarx [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I mean the lie flat movement is a natural response to how turbo-charged the competition in China's education and work systems have become in the last generation. It's a genuine problem in Chinese society right now and to refuse to participate in that aspect is a good thing - but what I hope those in the lie flat movement understand is that liberalism does not offer them an escape from that aspect of Chinese society, just look at South Korea and Japan. The only way for China's work culture to improve is for it to be reformed within the socialist model while the people still have control over their society, rather than having yielded control of it over to market forces.

            • meth_dragon [none/use name]
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              1 year ago

              the main issue here is that just as many if not more chinese people don't actually want to fix the problem of competition, they LIKE the competition, the competition is GOOD, the competition is NOT the problem, because if there was no competition, they wouldn't be able to win

              the REAL problem is that they're not winning

              it's one step up from the american 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires'; chinese strivers are capable of recognizing wishful thinking for what it is, but the sheer need for and capability to execute on dumb striver shit to fulfill dumb striver motives just to be able to lord it over their peer group is quite literally ruining the country rn. the entire educational system (and culture at large tbh) is caught in a negative feedback loop of artificially inflated standards and the government has no fucking idea how to solve it

              an abundance of needlessly well made powerpoint presentations is a portent for the end of nations

            • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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              1 year ago

              Yeah I don’t disagree, but these are taken as signs of the opposite, that more markets and more treats from the west surely solve the broader crisis of capitalism China (and all nations) must grapple with, rather than exacerbating it

  • Goblinmancer [any]
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    1 year ago

    You know what fuck these millenials complaining about "declining birth rate". These mfers have talked about "overpopulation" ruined the Earth, but when young people decide to no longer have children its now a problem?

    • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      They always fail to admit that "overpopulation" would mean most developed countries that pollute the most would fall under that. The entire state of Pennsylvania burns more fossil fuels than my developing countries despite having a smaller population.

  • pooh [she/her, any]
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    1 year ago

    China is DOOMED and will collapse in approximately 1 year and 2 days. /s

    • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      But Sire, you have been saying that China will collapse in approximately 1 year and 2 days, for the last 30 years.

      Now, seriously, EEUU is losing their hegemony day by day. If we even can talk of hegemony at this point.

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    I do wonder how much of China's Communists understand Communism and not the Communism=Nordic Social Democracy that they teach at the University level.

  • determinism2 [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    It's crazy to click through the links in that article and enter the daedal foam of media outlets fluffing up and laundering anonymous comments archived off of chinese social media.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Toxic optimism for capitalism has been unceasing since, oh, the 90s. pinker