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  • Oso_Rojo [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Homelander's speech in season one after a spoiler event is based on W's speech after 9/11: https://youtu.be/zi2SNFnfMjk

    • Nakoichi [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I caught that too. The whole show's packed with little details and subtle and overt critiques of capitalism it's one of the best shows running right now.

      • Oso_Rojo [he/him, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I have this nagging thought when I watch it about the commodification of iconoclasm ( can't remember who wrote about this or I'd cite them - ComradeEchidna reminded me it's Mark Fisher in Capitalist Realism, ty comrade).

        There are clearly anti capitalist and anti fascist themes in the show, but it's making money for Amazon, which is arguably a real life equivalent to Vought. I enjoy the show, but sometimes it gives me the same vibes as Ford selling trucks with MLK Jr quotes or some t-shirt company making money with Che's face.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      After the

      spoiler

      plane crash?

      In the original comic it was just straight up 9/11. I guess they didn't feel like touching on that for the show.

      • Nakoichi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Also Stormfront is a not so subtle caricature of racist American cops and how their bigotry is tolerated as long as they act as tools of capital and the state.

          • Nakoichi [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Holy shit I'm so dumb can't believe I didn't notice that.

            • CommieGirl69 [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              in her moments with homelander in the 5th episode i couldn't help but think homelander is like liberalism and mainstream conservatism and she's fascism, and that their relationship is pretty much how it goes in reality between the two ideologies... like, homelander starts running into some trouble, then she goes "you don't seem to be doing well by yourself, i'll be here when you need me" lmao and indeed he eventually goes to her and she saves his sorry ass

              i know it's probably just my online brain being poisoned but as soon as she said it this popped so hard in my head it hurt

              • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Homelander is fascist imperialism. Stormfront is meant to misdirect you into thinking that fascism is new and the alt-right is a modern phenomenon, then you find out about her being one of the oldest supes.

                It's always been there. In the lifeblood of america.

        • Oso_Rojo [he/him, they/them]
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          4 years ago
          spoiler

          I think it's implied that Vought was founded by actual nazis, so it could also be a commentary on the US taking on so many nazi scientists after WWII.

        • AnarchoFash [any]
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          4 years ago

          I think one could argue that she's also a slightly heavy handed showing of of the new age "faux feminism". She understands the system and how it oppresses, uses it to empower herself instead of say, dismantling it. When:

          spoiler

          Being confronted about her racism, she politely says she's not racist, just for supes. Despite the fact that the only people she's killed happened to be black people. She hides her actual racism behind fantastical racism.

          • anthropicprincipal [any]
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            4 years ago

            Which is why the liberal answer of calling for quotas has never worked, and why studies show that women in power in traditionally sexist institutions are no better or worse than males.

            Once in power to stay in power you have to act like those who are already at the top.

            The only way to solve systemic institutional bigotry of any kind is to tear down and rebuild. There is no reforming decades or centuries of oppression.