You don't know what a vanguard is then, ignorance while understandable in this context, is still not something to be proud of, you should take the time to learn instead of reflexively rejecting something because the capitalist zeitgeist tells you to
Vanguard parties exclude only the supporters of capitalism just like Social democracy by definition excludes socialists and non-capitalists, again you can't have any convincing principled stance against the representative democracy of the working class when you literally stan for the representative democracy of capitalists
No they don't, social democracies would never allow the establishment of socialism and overthrow of the current capitalist mode of production. Social democracy is the attempt by the state to broker, regulate and intermesh the productive capacity of the working class with the capital stock of the investor class for the common benefit of both
By definition those parties cannot be communist, as they legally cannot challenge private ownership of the means of production which underlines that system
Instead of chasing around idealistic "ideas" in your head you should read history and apply a material analysis to it.....sport
Every country in the world is a mixed market economy, even North Korea. Except instead of allowing the people to vote on what kind of free market economy North Korea has access to it is dictated to them. Same top down approach to the economy happened in the USSR and is currently happening in China. Why do you think Communists are better than anyone else at determining the level of a mixed market economy a nation should have?
The idea that anyone, anywhere could ever completely "overthrow the capitalist mode of production" is a dangerous delusion. Free markets, like it or not, are here to stay. Even if that means that must be black markets.
It is fun and all to play idealist about vastly complex socio economic issues, think you have all the answers, and can shape society into a perfect utopia. In reality, people resist change, not everyone will ever want to be wholly under the yoke of either a libertarian or communist regime, and enforcing your idealism on the real world would require massive amounts of violence.
Subjugating the masses to political ideals ain't my bag. Let people vote, have hopefully equitable representation, and maybe muddle towards some sense of progress.
Vanguardism can never be representative.
I reject it wholly.
You don't know what a vanguard is then, ignorance while understandable in this context, is still not something to be proud of, you should take the time to learn instead of reflexively rejecting something because the capitalist zeitgeist tells you to
Vanguard parties exclude all non-socialists.
They are anti-democratic abortions.
Vanguard parties exclude only the supporters of capitalism just like Social democracy by definition excludes socialists and non-capitalists, again you can't have any convincing principled stance against the representative democracy of the working class when you literally stan for the representative democracy of capitalists
All your doing is revealing your class loyalty
Socialism is not just MLism FFS.
Read a book.
Never claimed it was, but Socialism is definitely NOT social democracy and never will be
Social democracy fully allows communist parties to run in elections.
Try winning the battle of ideas sport.
No they don't, social democracies would never allow the establishment of socialism and overthrow of the current capitalist mode of production. Social democracy is the attempt by the state to broker, regulate and intermesh the productive capacity of the working class with the capital stock of the investor class for the common benefit of both
By definition those parties cannot be communist, as they legally cannot challenge private ownership of the means of production which underlines that system
Instead of chasing around idealistic "ideas" in your head you should read history and apply a material analysis to it.....sport
Every country in the world is a mixed market economy, even North Korea. Except instead of allowing the people to vote on what kind of free market economy North Korea has access to it is dictated to them. Same top down approach to the economy happened in the USSR and is currently happening in China. Why do you think Communists are better than anyone else at determining the level of a mixed market economy a nation should have?
The idea that anyone, anywhere could ever completely "overthrow the capitalist mode of production" is a dangerous delusion. Free markets, like it or not, are here to stay. Even if that means that must be black markets.
It is fun and all to play idealist about vastly complex socio economic issues, think you have all the answers, and can shape society into a perfect utopia. In reality, people resist change, not everyone will ever want to be wholly under the yoke of either a libertarian or communist regime, and enforcing your idealism on the real world would require massive amounts of violence.
Subjugating the masses to political ideals ain't my bag. Let people vote, have hopefully equitable representation, and maybe muddle towards some sense of progress.