None of this is "Russian propaganda" or anything of the sort, it's coming straight from the horse's mouth, so even if I don't think most of this comes as a surprise to anyone here, this might be a decent link to have on hand.

Ukraine should become a centre for the production of modern weapons in Europe. We are moving towards a new structure in the defence industry. We are planning joint projects with the world’s largest defence companies. This will necessarily include localisation in the production of equipment and weapons. We attach great importance to modern technological solutions and developments.

Ukraine needs a new economic model. Without it, it will be impossible to achieve the set and very ambitious goal – Ukraine’s GDP should reach one trillion dollars in 10 years.

I think this is probably immediately absurd to most of you, but just for reference, Ukraine's GDP in 2021 was just shy of 200 billion in USD, so in order to reach its target, it would have to not only recover to its pre-war GDP, but then increase it fivefold. Even if we ignore the invasion-related drop in GDP, Ukraine would need to grow its economy my 17.5% every single year for 10 years which is just laughable.

Even if that were possible though, the measures they're taking to try and achieve this goal would make damn sure that no Ukrainian worker sees a single penny of that growth, as they make abundantly clear when describing this 'new economic model':

In turn, the role of the state in the economy will be radically reduced. Privatisation will continue, corporate governance reform will be completed, radical deregulation will be carried out, and all services for business will be digitised.

In the social sphere, this is a pension reform that should include the creation of a retirement savings system.

Not a lot of details given on this pension reform, but if the next bit is anything to go by, it's nothing good.

This is a new social contract. We are building a person’s own capacity instead of dependence on the state. Social services and payments should be as targeted as possible.

ukkkraine

Edit: Based on the numbers for Ukraine's current GDP I could find (so post-invasion), it's gone down to about 161 million, so they'd actually have to increase that by 6.2 times, requiring an annual growth of just over 20%, which is somehow even more disconnected from reality.

  • D61 [any]
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    1 year ago

    This will necessarily include localisation in the production of equipment and weapons.

    hehe... funny... Putting all your weapons manufacturing capacity in an contested area with a military that has long range indirect fire capabilities.

    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      I'm going to guess they assume Russia won't exist in 5 years or some shit like that (or that Putin will have been ousted and it will magically be inoffensive idk)

      • ItsPequod [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        And then once Russia is gone all the weapons will be for... ??

        I mean we're pretty sure it's gonna be China but this question never seems to come up with atltanticists

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  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    If there's two words that should set off alarms for every person it's "Radical Deregulation"

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  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    kinda makes me wish more for a Russian victory because all the parts of Ukraine which aren't under Russian control will be sold off for cheap (whatever is left after 1991, 2014 and 2022). As much capitalist as modern Russia is, significant parts of the economy are under state control (example: telecoms, oil and gas, power etc).

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  • AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    The absurd growth projection is probably based on the assumption that they're gonna get the South Korea treatment with the US bankrolling their entire economy for decades.

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    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      Even South Korea levels of that wouldn't be enough, as their growth peaked at just under 15% in a single year (and of course there were fluctuations so the average was probably closer to 10-11%)

  • Crucible [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Honestly not a crazy idea to try to be the armoury of Europe but the small ripple is that weapons is the main industry in the US and they'll never let Ukraine edge in on their market

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      It's pretty crazy when you can't even effectively keep the power on for your existing industries, and your population is effectively halved. This would be a pipe dream even if the U.S. didn't have interests in maintaining it's near monopoly on military purchases

    • CTHlurker [he/him]
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      It's a genuinely insane idea to put your weapon production right next to the main enemy nation, who has previously demonstrated capability to hit anywhere they really want within said nation. If Ukraine immediately begins trying to build their armories I will definitely expect Russia to resume the missile-bombardments.

      • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
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        It's the same logic as investing in all of your electronics manufacturing capacity in a disputed territory of one of your key rivals (Taiwan). The investment lock-ins political willpower into defending the imperial outpost.

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  • LeZero [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    You claim to hate ruzzians yet you want to implement the same policies that happened there in the 90's

    Curious

    • CTHlurker [he/him]
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      Imagine doing Clintonism to yourself after getting bombed to the stone age

  • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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    Somehow more delusional than Olaf Scholz claiming Germany could achieve growth like in the 1950s "economic miracle"

    It is however the logical conclusion of a dogmatic support for Western countries. When your entire identity starts revolving around the fact that the west is good, you become a true believer in the dogmas that are spread by western intellectuals and their supposed effects.

    "the market will bring wealth if you go full ancap". With what infrastructure, with what manpower, with what technological advantage, investing into what, maintaining these new constructions using what defenses?

    It's an Elon Musk tier economic plan, fueled by "this is how it should be, so it will happen". It's kinda fascinating what is happening to Western Politicians in the last decade or so. When in the Eastern Bloc, there was a lack of confidence in economic plans (due to self-interest of the wannabe Bourgeois class), these people started becoming libs en masse and embracing market reforms etc. Meanwhile the westerners just lose their concept of reality.

    • NoGodsNoMasters [they/them, she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Somehow more delusional than Olaf Scholz claiming Germany could achieve growth like in the 1950s "economic miracle"

      Wow I guess I missed that one, that's wild

      • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]
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        It was a hilarious headline to read, especially since his presence in German politics is basically 0. (Christian Lindner, from the classical liberal FDP is basically running the show and gets the government to do what he wants)

        Suddenly, he's there spouting nonsense.

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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    I still think e-Voroh is the funniest thing, but this is probably #2.