I know all of this has been said before, but fuck it:

At the end of the day, he just didn't have it in him to go as hard against the establishment Dems as he needed to.

I think the propaganda got to him and he genuinely believes it was his fault that Trump won in 2016 and desperately doesn't want to be blamed again (Even tho he totally will be no matter what he says or does).

What we ideally need is basically a leftist version of Trump (As in not prejudiced, but with the same shameless, boisterous, don't-give-a-fuck attitude).

  • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Surely then, they will get elected and the Bourgeoisie will say "oh, I understand, here is the means of production 😀".

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      I think Bernie could have ran an effective tactic of recording his meetings with CEO executives and leaking them to the press about how adamant they were to kill poors.

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      2018 me would have been mad at you for this, 2020 me says protracted people's war

    • mittens [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I figure it would've been sort of like what happened in Mexico, that is a clear continuation of bourgeois politics with some adoption of social policy which makes for deeply contradictory policy in action which at best it's frustrating for the more left-leaning base and at worst it's fodder for established opponents to sink in the idea that Bernie was the same as everyone else. Though because the president becomes the defacto leader of its own party, Bernie would've singlehandedly ended Obama's influence and all the enroached bad actors would lost massive influence within the party. I mean, not seeing Hillary's face again would've been satisfying in-of itself.

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        4 years ago

        Bernie would’ve singlehandedly ended Obama’s influence and all the enroached bad actors would lost massive influence within the party

        Which itself would have been huge. One big downside to a Biden administration is that careerist rats like Mayo Pete will get to keep building their resumes.

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        4 years ago

        Do you really think the establishment Dems would've just gone away? Like I honestly can't believe people thought electing one socdem would have basically any lasting effect on the political landscape. There is a zero percent chance Hillary would've fucked off forever and Mayor McCheese would 100% be scurrying around trying to advance his career.

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          Mayor mccheese is the rat god? Yeah, careerists always be careering, and I have to recognize that Hillary would definitely appear on television to voice "healthy criticism" against the Bernie presidency. I don't think the effect would be lasting either, but it would've net us some soild 4 to 8 years of the democratic party being more than a wet tissue. It's obvious that a Bernie term would've been limited, but I find it hard to recognize where the limits would realistically be. I don't think it's particularly useful to think about it that much either.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      No, but Bernie's socdem shit like Medicare for All would likely get passed, assuming a Dem senate and ending the filibuster anyway.

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        Homie I'm sorry to break it to you, but M4A will never, ever happen. Not from a Bourgeois system in a time when the rate of profit is cratering and a competing power is making imperialism harder and harder. In fact, you're going to see more and more European countries hollowing out their systems as the years go by.