i'm not male or insecure but i can definitely see how this compliment might come across as her telling him he's not hot/she isn't crazy about his looks or his personality, but that he's "a good guy" and "marriage material"- which yes, those are also compliments, but in this context could be taken as backhanded. i feel like maybe she should have just said something else. i also feel like acting like men aren't allowed to have feelings or insecurities or be upset is absurd.
Hexbear: men should shirk toxic masculinity and embrace their emotions!
Also Hexbear: this man, who I have one (1) data point about, is clearly upset here because his ability to control women through sex is being undercut. This is why dating men is the worst, just toughen up and take the compliment bro!!
I think you see this reflected in media too when women in a heterosexual relationship who have a crisis over not feeling desired or something along those lines, is displayed in a sympathetic way.
"Women like to feel chased and desired."
Is a common through line in stories in which romance needs to be re-injected into the relationship. However here, a potentially miss worded compliment which states how they like their fulfilling stable relationship but also decenters the importance or existence of physical attraction towards the man can't possibly be understood that way. Naturally stories are maybe more dramatic in their portrayal, but I think this this issue can be common in long-term relationships. Regardless of gender composition of the relationship or the gender of the person who may be feeling that way.
I've encountered a weird thing with some sexual partners where they seem to think it's shallow to acknowledge that they find you physically attractive as well as emotionally attractive.
But like, it's a sexual relationship, are bodies are part of it, it'd be weird if we were plutonic friends but enjoying each others bodies is part of our relationship here so I don't see how it's shallow for us to express our enjoyment of each others bodies to one another.
'taking it slow' is coded for more serious relationships culturally, even if that's kind of silly and sex-negative. the 'hookup' is supposed to be ephemeral and shallow
i think this is very enmeshed in patriarchal norms with people trying to recreate a more old fashioned courtship for a potential spouse while consciously/subconsciously devaluing and shaming casual sex. don't get me wrong i also see how it sounds like they're saying the guy is not attractive, but he and other men gotta understand we still live under patriarchy and it makes people think differently (i mean wanting your partner to think you're adonis is weird patriarchy too, deserve love even if they don't roil loins in the stereotypical way)
it took me long enough to type that up that i missed most of the discussion, lol sorry for addressing things other people brought up
however you're being a bit too rigid in your interpretation of the text. we don't have a quote, just an explanation from one party of what they said. we're all just extrapolating on delivery/timing/vocabulary that was used so we can't actually litigate this particular situation with accuracy. but it's a vehicle to talk about relationships and patriarchy and we love to do that don't we folks
None of these explanations are adequate to me because she literally did not say it, so all of this has somehow become "I don't find you attractive" instead of "I find you attractive and worth more than just a fwb, I'd spend my life with you"
Like you can explain it how a million times but it just wasn't said so it doesn't matter lmao
See that’s your interpretation, but not actually what she said.
and removed you keep pulling the same dumbass "she implied he wasn't attractive" out of thin air, and calling me an idiot lmao! sorry for being autistic and taking shit literally, kiss my Black fucking ass dipshit
Male, not insecure much to my knowledge; I think the split here is "I wouldn't just fuck you". As far as I understand the world attraction for women to men is much less based on "beauty standards" and more other factors.
Everytime I said to the women in my life "That guy's hot, isn't he?" on the basis of what I think would be an attractive man I get back "God, no". Think like, I don't know, Ryan Gosling or Alan Ritcherson or and then Jack Black comes up and their heart beats ouf of their chest, their eyes get comically large and they go "AWOOOOOOOOOOOOGA". I've since learned I have no idea what hetero women find hot and that people like Ryan Gosling or Alan Ritcherson are, going by looks, more like a male fantasy of how and what to look like.
So coming from the womens POV that sounds like a compliment, but to the guy it sounds like "I don't think you're physically that hot.", because he's Jack Black and not Ryan Gosling if that makes sense. I think the ire here is in large part that women are often complimented on their looks, rarely on their skills and it's vice versa for men, which is why he probably wants to hear he's Ryan Gosling and not Jack Black.
All very much generalized and such, but that's what I figured. Given her version of the story I think storming out is a bit much, though.
i mean no disrespect when i say this, it's absurd to believe women don't actually think ryan gosling and dudes like that are hot. that is literally 90% of their appeal and why they're rich and famous- women pay to see them in movies because they're hot. i know they'll say that if you ask them, but my brother, come on. they certainly probably find jack black more entertaining and "huggable" but if we're being honest with ourselves, and you ask 10 women which of these two men they find more attractive, do you honestly, HONESTLY think most of them would pick jack black?
also, "i find you attractive like jack black, not like ryan gosling" isn't a nice compliment.
i think people really just have trouble admitting that women can be insensitive and shitty just like men can, and that men can have insecurities and feelings and it isn't invalid. there are so many people in here acting like "you just haven't read enough feminist theory" to justify taking the girlfriend's side in this post, but that's just mental gymnastics. i love shitting on men all day, i will shit on men like nobody's business, but i can not read this post and not think her boyfriend was right to be upset
It feels odd to presume every women that I talk about such topics with because we have close, personal friendships would lie to me about it. It's not like I haven't heard them saying things about Jack Black not suitable to be repeated in polite company after some drinks. And hell, on the scale of Ryan Gosling to Jack Black I definitely trend towards Gosling, not jack.
it's not that they're lying, it's that wE LiVe iN a SoCiETy that makes women feel bad for lusting after hot men, so they would reflexively say that jack black is more attractive to them when put in that situation.
Because if he's attractive then obviously his girlfriend would want to have NSA sex with him and randomly hookup. Women only do one night stands with attractive men. Ugly men don't get random hookups. Plus it's all about sex. You can't be in a relationship with someone and have mutual respect, care for one another, and have sex. Nope, it's got to be two hot people fucking and sucking.
Why yes I'm aware of propaganda and problematic culture, that means I'm immune to buying into it. How can you tell?
I am both male and insecure about my body, but if my partner said this to me I would take it to mean “I wouldn’t just fuck you once, I’d spend my life with you and fuck you many times”
i'm not male or insecure but i can definitely see how this compliment might come across as her telling him he's not hot/she isn't crazy about his looks or his personality, but that he's "a good guy" and "marriage material"- which yes, those are also compliments, but in this context could be taken as backhanded. i feel like maybe she should have just said something else. i also feel like acting like men aren't allowed to have feelings or insecurities or be upset is absurd.
Lots of people in here just acting like Men aren't ever insecure about their bodies.
Hexbear: men should shirk toxic masculinity and embrace their emotions!
Also Hexbear: this man, who I have one (1) data point about, is clearly upset here because his ability to control women through sex is being undercut. This is why dating men is the worst, just toughen up and take the compliment bro!!
I think you see this reflected in media too when women in a heterosexual relationship who have a crisis over not feeling desired or something along those lines, is displayed in a sympathetic way.
"Women like to feel chased and desired." Is a common through line in stories in which romance needs to be re-injected into the relationship. However here, a potentially miss worded compliment which states how they like their fulfilling stable relationship but also decenters the importance or existence of physical attraction towards the man can't possibly be understood that way. Naturally stories are maybe more dramatic in their portrayal, but I think this this issue can be common in long-term relationships. Regardless of gender composition of the relationship or the gender of the person who may be feeling that way.
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Or that men are unaffected by negging. Like if you break it down, this could easily be interpreted as negging, even if that was not the intention.
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I've encountered a weird thing with some sexual partners where they seem to think it's shallow to acknowledge that they find you physically attractive as well as emotionally attractive.
But like, it's a sexual relationship, are bodies are part of it, it'd be weird if we were plutonic friends but enjoying each others bodies is part of our relationship here so I don't see how it's shallow for us to express our enjoyment of each others bodies to one another.
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'taking it slow' is coded for more serious relationships culturally, even if that's kind of silly and sex-negative. the 'hookup' is supposed to be ephemeral and shallow
i think this is very enmeshed in patriarchal norms with people trying to recreate a more old fashioned courtship for a potential spouse while consciously/subconsciously devaluing and shaming casual sex. don't get me wrong i also see how it sounds like they're saying the guy is not attractive, but he and other men gotta understand we still live under patriarchy and it makes people think differently (i mean wanting your partner to think you're adonis is weird patriarchy too,
deserve love even if they don't roil loins in the stereotypical way)
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it took me long enough to type that up that i missed most of the discussion, lol sorry for addressing things other people brought up
however you're being a bit too rigid in your interpretation of the text. we don't have a quote, just an explanation from one party of what they said. we're all just extrapolating on delivery/timing/vocabulary that was used so we can't actually litigate this particular situation with accuracy. but it's a vehicle to talk about relationships and patriarchy and we love to do that don't we folks
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I'mma ask every person in this thread where she said this because if she didn't outright say this then why are people drawing this conclusion?
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None of these explanations are adequate to me because she literally did not say it, so all of this has somehow become "I don't find you attractive" instead of "I find you attractive and worth more than just a fwb, I'd spend my life with you"
Like you can explain it how a million times but it just wasn't said so it doesn't matter lmao
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and removed you keep pulling the same dumbass "she implied he wasn't attractive" out of thin air, and calling me an idiot lmao! sorry for being autistic and taking shit literally, kiss my Black fucking ass dipshit
Male, not insecure much to my knowledge; I think the split here is "I wouldn't just fuck you". As far as I understand the world attraction for women to men is much less based on "beauty standards" and more other factors.
Everytime I said to the women in my life "That guy's hot, isn't he?" on the basis of what I think would be an attractive man I get back "God, no". Think like, I don't know, Ryan Gosling or Alan Ritcherson or and then Jack Black comes up and their heart beats ouf of their chest, their eyes get comically large and they go "AWOOOOOOOOOOOOGA". I've since learned I have no idea what hetero women find hot and that people like Ryan Gosling or Alan Ritcherson are, going by looks, more like a male fantasy of how and what to look like.
So coming from the womens POV that sounds like a compliment, but to the guy it sounds like "I don't think you're physically that hot.", because he's Jack Black and not Ryan Gosling if that makes sense. I think the ire here is in large part that women are often complimented on their looks, rarely on their skills and it's vice versa for men, which is why he probably wants to hear he's Ryan Gosling and not Jack Black.
All very much generalized and such, but that's what I figured. Given her version of the story I think storming out is a bit much, though.
i mean no disrespect when i say this, it's absurd to believe women don't actually think ryan gosling and dudes like that are hot. that is literally 90% of their appeal and why they're rich and famous- women pay to see them in movies because they're hot. i know they'll say that if you ask them, but my brother, come on. they certainly probably find jack black more entertaining and "huggable" but if we're being honest with ourselves, and you ask 10 women which of these two men they find more attractive, do you honestly, HONESTLY think most of them would pick jack black?
also, "i find you attractive like jack black, not like ryan gosling" isn't a nice compliment.
i think people really just have trouble admitting that women can be insensitive and shitty just like men can, and that men can have insecurities and feelings and it isn't invalid. there are so many people in here acting like "you just haven't read enough feminist theory" to justify taking the girlfriend's side in this post, but that's just mental gymnastics. i love shitting on men all day, i will shit on men like nobody's business, but i can not read this post and not think her boyfriend was right to be upset
It feels odd to presume every women that I talk about such topics with because we have close, personal friendships would lie to me about it. It's not like I haven't heard them saying things about Jack Black not suitable to be repeated in polite company after some drinks. And hell, on the scale of Ryan Gosling to Jack Black I definitely trend towards Gosling, not jack.
it's not that they're lying, it's that wE LiVe iN a SoCiETy that makes women feel bad for lusting after hot men, so they would reflexively say that jack black is more attractive to them when put in that situation.
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When did she say he wasn't attractive lmao? I am so confused at people drawing this conclusion
Because if he's attractive then obviously his girlfriend would want to have NSA sex with him and randomly hookup. Women only do one night stands with attractive men. Ugly men don't get random hookups. Plus it's all about sex. You can't be in a relationship with someone and have mutual respect, care for one another, and have sex. Nope, it's got to be two hot people fucking and sucking.
Why yes I'm aware of propaganda and problematic culture, that means I'm immune to buying into it. How can you tell?
Sorry I got the tizzy so I have no idea if this was sarcasm or not lmao
I am both male and insecure about my body, but if my partner said this to me I would take it to mean “I wouldn’t just fuck you once, I’d spend my life with you and fuck you many times”
Right? Like damn you like me that much lol
Finally some common sense.