the disturbing part is that the public-facing persona account is referred to as the “real” one
Neoliberal subjectivity.
RuPaul’s Drag Race avoids union rules by declaring what the queens do on the show is “not a performance” but instead constitutes “appearing as myself” https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2018/05/rupauls-drag-race-contestant-contract/
How about we work towards removing the material conditions that bring about sex work.
Yeah onlyfans and their ilk are 'independent' rather than 'industrial' sex work, but when there are externalities pressuring you to create five videos a week of you drinking your own piss or whatever to pay this month's rent the difference is moot. It's a race to the bottom like anything else in capitalism, and people are suffering.
yeah we can look at that when money stops being a thing and we achieve communism. in the meantime all state actions criminalising sex work will be used as a weapon against sex workers
Of course it won't, and I don't believe anybody here is suggesting or naïve enough to believe that. We should try to lift people out of situations where they feel pressured to engage in said work, and decriminalisation is one step of many that direction.
Legalisation is safer for everyone than just decriminalisation of course the whole industry depends on the material conditions in the nation and how much government has oversight
Don't get confused here.
When a police department announces that they've made marijuana possession their "lowest enforcement priority" that's reported in the news as "marijuana was decriminalized," but that's of course nonsense. Possession of marijuana is still a criminal act.
"Legalization" always means a tax and licensing regime, or providing a path by which that thing can be legal, in which providing that good or service without a license is still a criminal act. Where the state has almost as much power to harass people as they did before.
But when a leftist says "decriminalize" they mean "made to be not a crime anymore." As in "the state should have no role in overseeing this." It's probably intentional that there's no word for this concept in the mainstream news.
legalization can give sex workers rights that they wouldnt have otherwise. if you just decriminalize it stays as a grey market in which sex workers are more vulnerable to abuse
That seems not to be the line taken by most sex worker activists, but it's a defensible position.
The idea is that by decriminalizing sex work, sex work is then just work, subject to normal labor protections. Of course there would need to be laws or at least case law clarifying specific rights to refuse things, etc., but I think it's rhetorically important to push the idea of decriminalization first. The fear is that a push for legalization will almost certainly end up with prostitution licenses, mandatory health checks, requirements to provide health papers to law enforcement on request, and all the other provisions you'd expect a bunch of Johns in government to write into a "how to be a legal prostitute" law.
It's a better rhetorical stance to stake out a position of "No. Hands off people's bodies." If that actually succeeds without compromise there will still be issues, but we'll be in a better place overall and a better place to handle them from. And if a compromise needs to be struck we'll at least have a fencepost to start from.
I'm convinced that the reason Twitter incels hate onlyfans is because they're just jealous that there's no market for them to do it.
Threre is a market for gay men, but I guess they aren't interested in that
That's true, sex work is different to other work in material ways, some better, many worse. And some of these would persist into the lower stages of Socialism, as much as we might wish it would not.
But there's also a sense in which there are a series of jobs most people would prefer at least some types of sex work to.
I mean, working in a demeaning lab where I am harassed and mistreated and exposed to dangerous chemicals on my bare skin is also a commoditization of access to my body, just not as obvious a one.
Would I prefer to be a sex worker rather than work at the really terrible dangerous job I actually held?...probably not...but mostly because being a sex worker seems like a lot of effort and I am opposed to effort on basic principle.
The Soviets treated manual jobs that had dangerous or socially detrimental outcomes with increased pay, lowered working hours, early retirement, and social prestige. I don't think sex work should be valorized, I do think sex workers should be, at least until we move up the rungs of low-stage Socialism.
I guess I would be one of those who is inclined to say that all of those things are selling you, you being your image, physical self, or physical labor.
I mean that’s 100% fair and I’m not saying I explicitly disagree with you, I just believe all forms of selling your valuable time are selling yourself.
yeah i read theory.
marx x engels yaoi slash fic theory.
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was writing out how to hyperlink it when you solved it. good job comrade.
also, :soviet-bashful: its actually a thing? :soviet-bashful:
on the one hand, parody is good.
on the other hand, that book needs to be burned from the public mind. creepy ass relationship abuse apologia masquerading as eroticism that it is
:thinkin-lenin:
You could get one of those daft punk helmets and set all your vids to EDM
just uhhh wear a cardboard box on your head?
you could stick different faces and stuff on the sides and make it a gimmick. "now im a tuna fish! now im tom hanks! now im zelda! now im a rain cloud!"
"Sex positive feminists" may as well be called rape enablers
Their ideology enables rape on an industrial scale because the only difference to them is whether there is a dollar on the nightstand
Go read up on all the rape victims of James Dean who would forcibly anally rape his victims during a scene to get a "anal scene" with the victims too shocked to say anything about it whilst on camera
Sex positive feminists tell us OnlyFans work is somehow subversive and radical when in reality it allows unfettered access by bourgeois and settler men to the bodies of subordinated women
The equivocation of selling your labour power where you can (at least) unionise, publicise and your country already has existing labour laws to selling your body to leery men who encourage and will pay and push for you to do more and more where you are alone and more uncomfortable is so ridiculous i didnt think this would need explaining were this not the dominant thought in Bourgeois society.
Its somehow subversive instead of completely marrying up with bourgeois individualism and an oppressive patriarchy
What we've seen with Onlyfans (during the pandemic) is an inevitable saturation of the market and tend to monopoly
So now the women who are the most attractive are earning very well and some of the more vulnerable and subbordinate women are now following through on their 'fans' demands to "drink their own piss" or whatever other perverse act they desire to dehumanise them and other them
Supporting sex workers (not the industry) is obviously correct. But we should be abolishing the conditions in which sex work arises
Edit: The Soviets abolished the nascent tipping system the Tsar was trying to import from Western Europe because they considered tipping dehumanising and creating a slavish mentality and a position of power between workers when performing jobs.
Yet those being coerced into ever more extreme acts chasing $ donations on onlyfans is totally cool
oh if only the kind and merciful Vladimir Illyich were here.
Of course. And guys here are way too eager to act like this stuff is unproblematic under the guise of owning the incels or whatever and it's suspicious.
it reminds me of a bbc documentary i saw a few years back about young models from Ukraine with Reggie Yates in
Reggie Yates explains to the camera, quite sincerely, as a parade of 14-17 year olds walk by in underwear and high heels that
"In Soviet times these girls would've had to go to school, get a degree then work in their specialisation whereas now they can become models for 6 X the monthly salary"
The intonation perhaps doesnt come off as well in text format but his tone implied that this way of life was more superior than....becoming educated and learning a trade or specialisation when you can just model and watch the money roll in
The apologists for the rape industry that is the sex industry under cover of "incels mad lol" is such a bourgeois individualist view of the world
There is a reason actually existing socialist countries outlawed prostitution and treated prostitutes as victims of an oppressive system that needed to be re-trained into actual jobs
“incels mad lol” is such a bourgeois individualist view of the world
Giving women the agency to make decisions under misogynist patriarchy is one thing, but capitalism's economic incentives are obviously a big part of sex work.
You have the option of supporting the exploitative capitalist sex industry, or supporting independent creators.
Just because there is no perfect organization of sex work does not mean one is not far better than the other, and no industry highlights this more than the sex industry.
This would be valid critique if there were strong unions or we had robust syndicalization
The vast majority of money is made by a small percent of creators on only fans, you are correct
how am i, proud member of the volcel police, supposed to- it's belle delphine.
OK but isn't she like some weird fash-adjascent dogwhistler
I don't have anything against e-thots, just Belle Delphine specifically.
I have no idea but if she is pls report back to me with the status
