PSL runs in elections but not as electoralists. They use it as a means of exposure and honestly it works. Between 2012 and 2016 they increased their number of votes by 10x and since then their membership has skyrocketed. The number of cadre is exploding since Bernie dropped out and they are taking up the mantle of the US's foremost Communist Party.
Except PSL turned their votes into real on the ground organizing in disadvantaged communities while the Green Party turned their votes into seething liberals.
Millions of people see their name on the ballot without knowing who they are. Then they see a bunch of people voted for them after the election, and a tiny fraction of them look into it and get involved. Even if 10,000 PSL votes translate into one new cadre, it's better than everything the green party has done for the last 20 years.
Look at the conversation we are having. It's about Howie vs La Riva for a spot they won't ever win. The fact that it's PSL and not the CPUSA or WWP or SAlt that we are talking about matters. Even if the party will never win an election, having PSL on the ballot and getting votes legitimizes them in a way that other parties can't.
I don't give a shit what the green party does. They're just a bunch of crystal healer boomers and conspiracy cranks that lose elections and do literally nothing else. What I want is for Communists and other revolutionary minded socialists to quit their microparties and join PSL and do good work on the ground bringing actual Proles into the ranks and not just PMCs with politics brain
The Green Party has never done anything except run failed candidates every 4 years why would I vote for a party that's shown to be entirely opportunistic and careerist and not inherently based in any real material working class struggle?
lol and what does it mean for a "green party candidate" to win elections when the party platform is entirely up the air and only now has even been described as socialist in any way? There's not a single green party member in any state or national elected position currently, after the party existing for 20 years. Who is a well known "green party" politician? What has the green party actually done to advance working class struggles? The DSA has only really been active nationally in any serious way over the past 4 years and has already done more and gotten more people into meaningful positions of power than the Green Party.
to be clear, the green party currently has 130 members holding minor offices, 20 years after their foundation. i kind of doubt they’ve actually had “thousands” of people elected at all but if you have better data that’d be cool to see
Listening to PSL nerds try to talk down to the Green Party is deeply hilarious. The PSL and the Green Party were founded 3 years apart. The PSL has accomplished fuck all and is on the ballot in 15 states (no one sees your party name if you are a fucking write in), and the Greens have accomplished fuck all and every voter in the country will see their name on the ballot. There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful.
I'm not even a fucking Green Party person, some of you online PSL nerds are just that deeply fucking annoying and delusional.
ah yes the metric by which you're considered successful is whether your name is on the ballot lol. PSL actually organizes poor working class people, something the green party has never cared about. if i go join the green party in NYC right now what sort of organizing and work are they doing here and what have they done during covid and the protests here in the city? Nothing. A non existent party, amazing.
Which is it, getting on the ballot gets your name out there for more people to see, or getting on the ballot isn't actually important? I can't seem to follow your cope.
the PSL has been advocating and fighting for socialism for years and actually furthering the movement in significant and important ways, the greens barely just started even mentioning it, and also explicitly coming out against "state socialism". i couldnt give a fuck about ballots, the greens do fuck all when it comes down to it, so wtf does it matter that they get these votes if it never translated into anything more than a sparing campaign for climate advocacy? shit Sunrise just got founded and they already blew the fucking Greens out of relevancy in that field.
i dont give a fuck about the ballots in terms of using that as the metric to an org being successful or not. "There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful." 🙄
"Look at all these states where PSL is on the ballot!" to "Actually it's not that important, fuck being on the ballot..."
You keep talking like I'm supposed to judge the PSL by what's in their fucking heart. Intentions don't matter. The current 100+ Greens that hold local dog catcher and chairman of the annual hot dog parade committee hold and exercise more power than the PSL has in its entire history. I'm not gonna be lectured on the superiority of a fucking party that ran Roseanne Barr for president.
Actually Greens are missing from a lot of ballots this year. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania aren't the only ones. They just didn't bother to collect signatures
Again, people voting for La Riva objectively helps PSL get bigger. I understand that you're more invested in making a scene for the libs in hopes that they will notice you, but personally I don't think that will ever lead to anything.
If you think the PSL wants to be a larger party, you don't know much about the PSL. It takes years and countless people vouching for you to become a member.
I know members and am considering joining myself. It takes about 6 months to become a member, and that's right now when they're flooded with applications. They 100% want to get bigger, but without compromising the quality of cadres. They don't need to have 5,000,000 members, because most membersr in most parties don't do anything. PSL wants to get as many dedicated Marxist-Leninists as possible.
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Caring about getting 5% is a big electoralist :cope:
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PSL runs in elections but not as electoralists. They use it as a means of exposure and honestly it works. Between 2012 and 2016 they increased their number of votes by 10x and since then their membership has skyrocketed. The number of cadre is exploding since Bernie dropped out and they are taking up the mantle of the US's foremost Communist Party.
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Except PSL turned their votes into real on the ground organizing in disadvantaged communities while the Green Party turned their votes into seething liberals.
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Millions of people see their name on the ballot without knowing who they are. Then they see a bunch of people voted for them after the election, and a tiny fraction of them look into it and get involved. Even if 10,000 PSL votes translate into one new cadre, it's better than everything the green party has done for the last 20 years.
Look at the conversation we are having. It's about Howie vs La Riva for a spot they won't ever win. The fact that it's PSL and not the CPUSA or WWP or SAlt that we are talking about matters. Even if the party will never win an election, having PSL on the ballot and getting votes legitimizes them in a way that other parties can't.
I don't give a shit what the green party does. They're just a bunch of crystal healer boomers and conspiracy cranks that lose elections and do literally nothing else. What I want is for Communists and other revolutionary minded socialists to quit their microparties and join PSL and do good work on the ground bringing actual Proles into the ranks and not just PMCs with politics brain
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The Green Party has never done anything except run failed candidates every 4 years why would I vote for a party that's shown to be entirely opportunistic and careerist and not inherently based in any real material working class struggle?
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who the fuck says we're protest voting lmao
The libs just want to be heard by their masters 😔
lol and what does it mean for a "green party candidate" to win elections when the party platform is entirely up the air and only now has even been described as socialist in any way? There's not a single green party member in any state or national elected position currently, after the party existing for 20 years. Who is a well known "green party" politician? What has the green party actually done to advance working class struggles? The DSA has only really been active nationally in any serious way over the past 4 years and has already done more and gotten more people into meaningful positions of power than the Green Party.
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this comment gave me a migraine
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typed aneurysm first but then realized id only be so lucky
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to be clear, the green party currently has 130 members holding minor offices, 20 years after their foundation. i kind of doubt they’ve actually had “thousands” of people elected at all but if you have better data that’d be cool to see
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Listening to PSL nerds try to talk down to the Green Party is deeply hilarious. The PSL and the Green Party were founded 3 years apart. The PSL has accomplished fuck all and is on the ballot in 15 states (no one sees your party name if you are a fucking write in), and the Greens have accomplished fuck all and every voter in the country will see their name on the ballot. There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful.
I'm not even a fucking Green Party person, some of you online PSL nerds are just that deeply fucking annoying and delusional.
ah yes the metric by which you're considered successful is whether your name is on the ballot lol. PSL actually organizes poor working class people, something the green party has never cared about. if i go join the green party in NYC right now what sort of organizing and work are they doing here and what have they done during covid and the protests here in the city? Nothing. A non existent party, amazing.
Which is it, getting on the ballot gets your name out there for more people to see, or getting on the ballot isn't actually important? I can't seem to follow your cope.
the PSL has been advocating and fighting for socialism for years and actually furthering the movement in significant and important ways, the greens barely just started even mentioning it, and also explicitly coming out against "state socialism". i couldnt give a fuck about ballots, the greens do fuck all when it comes down to it, so wtf does it matter that they get these votes if it never translated into anything more than a sparing campaign for climate advocacy? shit Sunrise just got founded and they already blew the fucking Greens out of relevancy in that field.
"I couldn't give a fuck about the ballots, that's why I made this post about the PSL being on the ballot."
i dont give a fuck about the ballots in terms of using that as the metric to an org being successful or not. "There is no metric by which the PSL is could be considered more successful." 🙄
"Look at all these states where PSL is on the ballot!" to "Actually it's not that important, fuck being on the ballot..."
You keep talking like I'm supposed to judge the PSL by what's in their fucking heart. Intentions don't matter. The current 100+ Greens that hold local dog catcher and chairman of the annual hot dog parade committee hold and exercise more power than the PSL has in its entire history. I'm not gonna be lectured on the superiority of a fucking party that ran Roseanne Barr for president.
Actually Greens are missing from a lot of ballots this year. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania aren't the only ones. They just didn't bother to collect signatures
I'm referencing more that you can usually find a Green candidate on the ballot in every state, and not necessarily the presidential election.
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Again, people voting for La Riva objectively helps PSL get bigger. I understand that you're more invested in making a scene for the libs in hopes that they will notice you, but personally I don't think that will ever lead to anything.
If you think the PSL wants to be a larger party, you don't know much about the PSL. It takes years and countless people vouching for you to become a member.
I know members and am considering joining myself. It takes about 6 months to become a member, and that's right now when they're flooded with applications. They 100% want to get bigger, but without compromising the quality of cadres. They don't need to have 5,000,000 members, because most membersr in most parties don't do anything. PSL wants to get as many dedicated Marxist-Leninists as possible.
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Muh heckin fundarinos!!! We r gonna get $10mil to spend on TV ads about the GND :ferret:
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