• marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      You're right I haven't completely purged the liberal inside me and I hate myself for it being there still

      spoiler

      two-wolves-1 maybe-later-kiddo two-wolves-2


        • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Thank you so much for showing me that not every liberal I meet here will be ignorant and self-righteous. I can no longer say that has been the totality of my experience with them. I now have hope that my next encounter will be just as positive as this one was.

                • Awoo [she/her]
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                  1 year ago

                  Does my username make me look like a dude to you? Why are liberals so fucking awful? It's only ever you. Nobody in the left does this.

                    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      Go fucking fuck yourself you fucking piece of shit. Talking about other people's sOcIaL uNdeRsTandIng while you're fucking misgendering people AND JUSTIFYING IT AS IF YOU'RE A FUCKING VICTIM once you're called on it. You're rancid scum and I hope we get fucking defederated so we don't have to deal with filth like you.

                    • Awoo [she/her]
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                      1 year ago

                      My lack of social understanding? Gender neutral?

                      I have to smash through the wall like Hbomberguy right now

                      Show
                      "DO YOU FUCK DUDES? AnomalousBit?"

                      Do you go around telling other people that you fuck dudes? What do other people assume you mean when you say that you fuck dudes?

                      You could have just been like "Yeah you're right, sorry I didn't mean to misgender you." but instead you doubled down on being a transphobic dickhead and literally proved my point about liberals being shitbags in the process.

                        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                          1 year ago

                          No, it wouldn't be a problem if he said he fucked dudes. The implication though is that "dudes" is a gendered term. The complaint is that she was misgendered by someone who then doubled down on the misgendering. Her statement was not homophobic.

                                • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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                                  1 year ago

                                  In my experience, sexual inferences are the fastest way to educate someone who doesn't see a word as being gendered, but I can see how what they said could be read as using gay sexual activity in a negative way to someone not reading this thread and skimmed over the rest of the text in that reply.

                                  Playing dumb is used by bigots as a shield to continue their bigotry unimpeded. Not allowing any room for them to play dumb is the only way to reach those kind of people.

                                • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                                  1 year ago

                                  What they are conveying is that "dude" is clearly not a gender-neutral term, as a straight guy would agree that they "fuck people", weird as the phrasing is, but not that they "fuck dudes." It demonstrates that they themselves don't perceive the social understanding of the term "dude" as gender neutral, not that "fucking dudes" is bad. It could also be used to debate a lesbian by the same token.

                    • HornyOnMain
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                      1 year ago

                      She literally has her pronouns in her display name mf, it's not that hard

                    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      Maybe if you lived in any of the countries you disparage all day long

                      Most of the users on Hexbear are American and a decent number of the remainder are Brits and Aussies. Our criticisms do not come from having never received the privilege of witnessing these countries being shit first-hand, as much as you might like to pretend it's only those dirty foreigners not understanding your national glory.

                        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                          1 year ago

                          So the foreigner part is self-evident, and I think the "second-world", "potato vodka," etc. covers the "dirty" pretty plainly. I don't know why I'm even saying this, because basically what I'm doing is just teaching you to dogwhistle more effectively, but on the other hand this post is on lemmy, so hopefully I'm helping to point this out to other people so they will be more aware of these things when you and your ilk take your next crack at it.

                        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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                          1 year ago

                          Yeah, we get it, you're a paranoid national chauvinist on top of being a transphobic asshole, that was already obvious.

                    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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                      1 year ago

                      I don't know a single trans person that views dude as a gender neutral term, the only people spouting that nonsense are transphobic cis dudes like you who make up excuses to misgender and harass us. Go die in a house fire, reactionary cissie shit.

                      • commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]
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                        1 year ago

                        Real talk from a very trans-supportive communist: is this universal? I definitely grew up in a conservative environment but definitely was under the impression that I and the trans people I am close to all thought dude was a term of endearment when used amongst friends, including women and enbys. I likely overuse the term from thinking I would be a skater after playing Tony hawk's pro skater and being into hiking/climbing/camping culture, but is this a universal thing among trans people you know?

                        Not defending the other person, libs very often hide behind the argument once called out, and I'd never call you "dude," or pretty much anyone not my direct friend, but I just wanna make sure I'm not hurting people unnecessarily without knowing it. Maybe it's the "being friends" part that makes the difference, and I hope so. Otherwise I got some trans-comrades to apologize to

                        Adding here after thinking more, I guess I usually use it to refer to a non-specific thing, like saying "ah dude, that's cool" and shit like that. Like saying "oh man." Is this related??? Need some help here lol

                        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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                          1 year ago

                          Real talk from a very trans-supportive communist: is this universal?

                          I find it to be at least extremely common, both in English-speaking spaces online and in German-speaking trans communities online and IRL (i'm German). Ultimately it's a matter of preference, there will be trans people who disagree, but there definitely are a lot of us who take offense. Same goes for terms like guy and especially for bro / bruh etc., or for German terms like Typ or Alter (in this context roughly comparable to guy or dude) which are generally at least masc-leaning. I'd definitely take offense to all of these, but sure, there are exceptions.

                          Still, these are exceptions, and more importantly, what we see here is a perfect example of how not to deal with such a situation: When somebody calls you out on misgendering, the only sensible response is to edit the post in question and to apologize. If you do that, it's normally no big deal, everybody moves on with their day. And it takes a few seconds to edit a post and a few more to reply "sorry, i've edited this" while it can quickly take hours to start an argument over this. Yet i see over and over again that liberals in particular are incapable of showing that amount of basic human decency. Instead, they have to assert their privilege to define what we're allowed to find offensive, talk down to us and act as if they're the one ones who've been hurt because we've called their feeling of superiority and infallibility into doubt by saying they've made a mistake. That's where it gets transphobic even if the misgendering was unintentional, that's where it gets patronizing as well.

                          • commiewithoutorgans [he/him, comrade/them]
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                            1 year ago

                            Fully agree with the description. Fuck that lib. Keep tearing them apart til they apologize and edit. hexbear-trans

                            In Dutch-speaking communities i still hear the American phrases a lot, but the equivalents in dutch rarely. But in international groups oriented towards my hobbies, dude is still used a good bit. But I'll just stay alert, just wanted to hear a bit more from a trans-comrade who most definitely would speak frankly to me (I understand that in-person call-outs can sometimes be difficult for such "small" things). Gonna only use it as a phrase of exclamation among friends that know me well I think and continue checking up regularly on my comrades.

                            • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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                              1 year ago

                              Just to be clear, i'm not saying "don't say dude", the term in itself is perfectly fine. Just saying it's not unusual at all that trans people find it not to be gender neutral and particularly that the response in that case shouldn't be to start an argument where you assert a right to label trans people in ways that have clearly and already hurt them. It's the latter that made me go from "oof, that person should edit this post" to "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds".

                        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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                          1 year ago

                          Yeah, people weren't aware of transphobic language 14 years ago, i know that, i've lived through that time.

                    • Unmarketable Plushie@pawb.social
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                      1 year ago

                      "Dude" can be gender neutral but given the context of it in your response it really fucking looks like a microaggression against her for being trans

            • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Look, you started hot in this thread but tired after a few comments. They adjusted, you didn't, and you got rocked; it happens. Hit the showers and we'll get after it early tomorrow with some film.

        • muddi [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Is there a base case or do the layers of irony go on to infinity?

          Person: says something

          Another person: this other person has no nuance

          Yet another person: this other person has no nuance, ironically

          Yet another person: this other person has no nuance, ironically

          (ad infinitum)

          Maybe this is just dialectics, although a little snarky

    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Okay just... there's no such thing as 'self' projecting. It's just projecting. That's redundant.

      And nothing they said is untrue. What kind of self flagellation is required to just say a type of political person is bad? Do you need permission from a conservative to talk shit about their faults?

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        1 year ago

        In fairness dumb liberals have a hegemonic control of media, government, culture, and public opinion in the US and most of the EU, with the exception being almost entirely fascists.

        I hate to quote a fascist beast like Patton, but; " "They've got us surrounded again, the poor bastards."

        We don't have to go looking for liberal ignorance, violence, cowardice, and foolishness. It's everywhere in every direction.

        • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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          1 year ago

          Says the natoid lmao

          Two things can actually be bad at once you know. Understanding geo politics doesn't mean support. The world isn't a marvel movie.

          • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            1 year ago

            Not only can 2 things be bad but 2 things can be different degrees of bad.

            I'd rather live in a country where I can openly criticize those in power without risk to my personal well-being and have the possibility for pushing my government towards positive ends.

            Yeah there's some risk associated with protesting in the US but at least I don't have to worry about the going to the gulag or a tiananmen square situation.

            • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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              I mean, I should have known you'd regurgitate the propaganda, but it's always a disappointment anyway. Such a stupid response, too. That's basically a non-sequitur. For one, there being two evils does not necessitate siding with the lesser. You can acknowledge there are no good guys, and instead pick the position most likely to lead to the least amount of suffering over all. That is and will always be peace, but you blood thirsty natoids just can't imagine that. Your response is also dumb as hell given that modern Russia is a capitalist state, not the USSR lmao. Bringing up Gulags is a bit like bringing up slave plantations in the USA.... except the USSR is actually completely dissolved so its even less relevant. For the record, the US still legally permits slavery in the instance of criminal conviction. Say, sure would be wild if the US disproportionately policed and convicted black and brown people, wouldn't it? That'd seem like a loophole legitimizing slavery over time! But that's just whatabouttism so feel free to ignore it like a good little natoid. You're grossly ignorant regarding tiananmen square as well, but I won't bother citing anything since you'll just dismiss it out of hand.

              Instead, I'll ask what are your thoughts on the repression of Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Ireland Independence, French Yellow Vests/Public Benefits/Police Racism, and so on and so forth in "Free" and "Democratic" countries? What about the United States having the highest incarceration rate in the world, largely filled with black and brown people subjected to forced labor while in prison? What would happen if your "protest" did more than carry signs in publicly designated and permitted areas? Wouldn't you be beaten, arrested, and convicted under the fullest extent of the law? So sorry that you're so cucked you can't imagine doing more than asking your leaders nicely for change and politely going home when they say no, but real protest is certainly illegal in "Free" Western countries, and if you ever actually engaged in it you'd see exactly how brutal those governments can be.

              Principled communists aren't unapologetic supporters of every single thing socialist countries do/have done, but we take issue with the nakedly hypocritical framing from Western powers. The atomic unit of propaganda is emphasis. You ignorantly reduce entire foreign countries to a single word/event while myopically ignoring the conditions before and after, but hem and haw and whine about nuance and procedure and the necessity of the barbarity around us every day... When you're not ignoring it outright that is. That's what makes you a useful idiot to our own system of oppression. It's an embarrassment.

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Yeah there's some risk associated with protesting in the US but at least I don't have to worry about the going to the gulag

              Good thing protestors in the US and UK don't get arrested on flimsy charges or crippled or murdered by cops blob-no-thoughts

            • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              Snowden, Assange, manning, dozens of maimed protestors and the largest prison system in the world would like a word with you after seeing what you just posted here.