i'm responding to someone literally claiming that "humans are the greatest thing ever." i didn't say we were the worst, but we definitely ain't the fucking greatest.
Uh yeah we probably are given the fact that we allow ourselves to even conceive of greatness. anything you think of as great you do so thru your capacity as a human. therefore all greatness is human greatness. there isn’t anything outside the human perspective
this is almost certainly not true. various corvids and apes absolutely have a capacity to learn language while dolphins are incredibly sophisticated in this regard, communicating with each other in ways we are only just beginning to piece together. but this is I guess the point about the hubris of this sentiment: we do not understand the capacities of animals nearly so well to make statements like these.
our lack of understanding them is precisely why we have the responsibility to advocate for them is my point. that lack of understanding comes from their lack of linguistic capabilities that would allow them to prove they have subjectivity. because they can’t prove it, just like we can’t prove each other has it; we should take the benefit of the doubt and protect all potential subjectivity
I have linguistic capabilities. put me in a strange place where no one speaks a language I share and I might well struggle to prove my own subjectivity, especially were that subjectivity doubted by my captors and the burden of proof placed upon me. in fact, we know this because experiments like these were used to "prove" the lack of subjectivity of Africans.
but again, this is my point about hubris: we regularly assume we know things that we do not, including the lack of subjectivity, or the lack of linguistic capabilities of animals - or, indeed, of other people.
I think the most unsettling thing about your posts in this thread is the way you've taken white supremacist arguments, changed the subjects to humans and the objects to animals, but left the fundamentally bad reasoning that led to such bullshit wholly intact. humans do not need to be supreme in order for the continuation of our species to be worthwhile - we merely need to be. but we must also extend the same courtesy to the other living things with which we share the globe.
it is factual that humans have superior capacity than the rest of the animals on the planet, it is not factual that white people have superior capacity than brown people.
much more important than the factual weakness of a statement like that is why you're so attached to the notion of superiority (whatever that actually means) in the first place.
material conditions wouldn’t be able to provide proper protein sources. ideally we would just be mass producing artificial or lab grown meat using renewable energy
But... you're vegetarian? What does protein have to do with it? Like you get all your protein from eggs or something? A cup of beans is 16g of protein vs the 7 grams in an egg. I don't follow.
i'm responding to someone literally claiming that "humans are the greatest thing ever." i didn't say we were the worst, but we definitely ain't the fucking greatest.
Uh yeah we probably are given the fact that we allow ourselves to even conceive of greatness. anything you think of as great you do so thru your capacity as a human. therefore all greatness is human greatness. there isn’t anything outside the human perspective
wow. i'm not even a vegetarian, but this is a great argument for becoming one. fuck off.
dude i’m a fucking vegetarian haha bc it’s our responsibility as the only linguistically capable beings to advocate for those not
this is almost certainly not true. various corvids and apes absolutely have a capacity to learn language while dolphins are incredibly sophisticated in this regard, communicating with each other in ways we are only just beginning to piece together. but this is I guess the point about the hubris of this sentiment: we do not understand the capacities of animals nearly so well to make statements like these.
our lack of understanding them is precisely why we have the responsibility to advocate for them is my point. that lack of understanding comes from their lack of linguistic capabilities that would allow them to prove they have subjectivity. because they can’t prove it, just like we can’t prove each other has it; we should take the benefit of the doubt and protect all potential subjectivity
I have linguistic capabilities. put me in a strange place where no one speaks a language I share and I might well struggle to prove my own subjectivity, especially were that subjectivity doubted by my captors and the burden of proof placed upon me. in fact, we know this because experiments like these were used to "prove" the lack of subjectivity of Africans.
but again, this is my point about hubris: we regularly assume we know things that we do not, including the lack of subjectivity, or the lack of linguistic capabilities of animals - or, indeed, of other people.
I think the most unsettling thing about your posts in this thread is the way you've taken white supremacist arguments, changed the subjects to humans and the objects to animals, but left the fundamentally bad reasoning that led to such bullshit wholly intact. humans do not need to be supreme in order for the continuation of our species to be worthwhile - we merely need to be. but we must also extend the same courtesy to the other living things with which we share the globe.
it is factual that humans have superior capacity than the rest of the animals on the planet, it is not factual that white people have superior capacity than brown people.
much more important than the factual weakness of a statement like that is why you're so attached to the notion of superiority (whatever that actually means) in the first place.
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Why aren't you vegan?
material conditions wouldn’t be able to provide proper protein sources. ideally we would just be mass producing artificial or lab grown meat using renewable energy
I didn't ask "why isn't everyone vegan?", I asked "why aren't you vegan?"
that was my personal reason, i meant my material conditions
But... you're vegetarian? What does protein have to do with it? Like you get all your protein from eggs or something? A cup of beans is 16g of protein vs the 7 grams in an egg. I don't follow.
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i meant my local personal conditions
Why? It takes way fewer resources to grow plant proteins than animals.
i mean my own conditions personally
Lentils and beans are cheaper than meat. Check out Indian recipes they're delicious
well then you should research the word perspective.
you should read kant
fuck you.
lollllll you’re mad bc you hate humans, just leave then you don’t have to be around us other humans
i'm mad because you defend them.