I've seen what capitalism has done to the Earth. I've seen what billionaires do. Humans are not capitalism. Humans are not the handful of billionaires who control us. That you can't even grasp that shows how deeply entrenched you are in ideology. Either go read a book that isn't Harry Potter, or leave us the fuck alone while we do more than rot and die in obese bliss.
my point is that nature can’t possibly be conceived as communism bc it’s literally free market hunting with the apex predators taking all the surplus value of the producers of energy not bc carnivores exist
so we've gotten to thep point where you feel can you insult me over and over again and then delete it and repeat it again and again , when i'm pointing out fucking facts to you. go fuck yourself dude. literally eat shit.
Alright as much of an angry silly exchange this has been between you and paulwall it's been interesting to me.
He's being a smug dumbass about it but I still agree with the point that the entire framing of this seems nonsensical to me.
You can't apply purely human concept that are extremely contextual to those things. You can't say any of those things existed "before humans", it's not that nothing existed before humans, it's that our perception of things and the words and concepts we use are entirely limited to us and extrapolating them to other things in that way seems silly and ends up back into anthropo-centrism to me.
I'm not going into the "humans are special" because of language or whatever else because I don't know enough about it and it's a pointless argument because it doesn't matter to this. In fact the argument itself always ends up being anthropocentric to me, whether it's to say "other animals are not as smart/special as us" OR to say "other animals are as smart/special as us". It's applying our own extremely contextual words and concepts on things non-human, those other things don't give a fuck what words we use, no matter how smart they are. They exist outside of how we talk about them or how we think about them.
Whatever other animals can/do think and feel doesn't matter here, this kind of take still seems nihilistic and anthropo-centric. The whole idea of humans having a "good or bad" impact on earth is within a human context, the concept of earth is within a human context. If you end saying that "humanity" is "bad" and should end, then yea to me that's nihilistic, misanthropic (not that that makes it or you bad because of it that's just how I would define it), but more importantly it's pointless. It's an answer to a nonsensical question. It doesn't matter, it's not productive and it seems very self-centered.
This is kinda hard to talk about because it's not even a very tangible or materialistic topic, it's mostly philosophical, so sorry if my thoughts aren't very clear.
You can’t say any of those things existed “before humans”, it’s not that nothing existed before humans, it’s that our perception of things and the words and concepts we use are entirely limited to us and extrapolating them to other things in that way seems silly and ends up back into anthropo-centrism to me.
This is kinda hard to talk about because it’s not even a very tangible or materialistic topic, it’s mostly philosophical, so sorry if my thoughts aren’t very clear.
it's definitely hard to talk about, you will make no friends. but those things definitely exited 'before humans.'
i just don't even understand how any of this is debatable. you'd think that since we invented the fucking word 'language' that the idea is foreign throughout other species.
Whatever other animals can/do think and feel doesn’t matter here, this kind of take still seems nihilistis.
Whatever other animals can/do think and feel doesn’t matter here, this kind of take still seems nihilistic and anthropo-centric. The whole idea of humans having a “good or bad” impact on earth is within a human context, the concept of earth is within a human context.
this shit is on the level of 'animals can't feel pain' because they don't have the fucking words.
I've seen what capitalism has done to the Earth. I've seen what billionaires do. Humans are not capitalism. Humans are not the handful of billionaires who control us. That you can't even grasp that shows how deeply entrenched you are in ideology. Either go read a book that isn't Harry Potter, or leave us the fuck alone while we do more than rot and die in obese bliss.
well... capitalism didn't exist before humans. guess what did? communism.
communism didn’t exist before humans what the fuck haha, predators totally be taking the surplus value of producers and prey
communism still has carnivores bro.
my point is that nature can’t possibly be conceived as communism bc it’s literally free market hunting with the apex predators taking all the surplus value of the producers of energy not bc carnivores exist
never heard of a pack huh
never heard of a pack of bourgeoisie? the state? you’re referring to a pack of predators or herbivores which still steal surplus value from plants
that's not how pack mentality works.
you must be a special kind of “something not ableist”
so we've gotten to thep point where you feel can you insult me over and over again and then delete it and repeat it again and again , when i'm pointing out fucking facts to you. go fuck yourself dude. literally eat shit.
why would i eat shit when i can eat steak, live is good you should enjoy it kid slides boomer glasses on
Alright as much of an angry silly exchange this has been between you and paulwall it's been interesting to me. He's being a smug dumbass about it but I still agree with the point that the entire framing of this seems nonsensical to me. You can't apply purely human concept that are extremely contextual to those things. You can't say any of those things existed "before humans", it's not that nothing existed before humans, it's that our perception of things and the words and concepts we use are entirely limited to us and extrapolating them to other things in that way seems silly and ends up back into anthropo-centrism to me.
I'm not going into the "humans are special" because of language or whatever else because I don't know enough about it and it's a pointless argument because it doesn't matter to this. In fact the argument itself always ends up being anthropocentric to me, whether it's to say "other animals are not as smart/special as us" OR to say "other animals are as smart/special as us". It's applying our own extremely contextual words and concepts on things non-human, those other things don't give a fuck what words we use, no matter how smart they are. They exist outside of how we talk about them or how we think about them.
Whatever other animals can/do think and feel doesn't matter here, this kind of take still seems nihilistic and anthropo-centric. The whole idea of humans having a "good or bad" impact on earth is within a human context, the concept of earth is within a human context. If you end saying that "humanity" is "bad" and should end, then yea to me that's nihilistic, misanthropic (not that that makes it or you bad because of it that's just how I would define it), but more importantly it's pointless. It's an answer to a nonsensical question. It doesn't matter, it's not productive and it seems very self-centered.
This is kinda hard to talk about because it's not even a very tangible or materialistic topic, it's mostly philosophical, so sorry if my thoughts aren't very clear.
it's definitely hard to talk about, you will make no friends. but those things definitely exited 'before humans.'
i just don't even understand how any of this is debatable. you'd think that since we invented the fucking word 'language' that the idea is foreign throughout other species.
Missed my point, but I don't really know where to go from there, so I don't think I'll keep the convo going. It was interesting though!
this shit is on the level of 'animals can't feel pain' because they don't have the fucking words.