Itt liberals reveal that their is no depth of casual fascist bloodthirst they won't plumb. Pretending to care about Ukranians while they cheer for them getting rounded up and used as meatshields in a lost war.
The western supremacists are willing to sacrifice every Ukranian civilian, to push NATO east.
I think that most is against poor Russians dying in the same way, in the same lost war
lol no they aren't; they spent the last year calling Russians orcs and celebrating their deaths; don't give libs the benefit of the doubt; they're warping into modern day Nazis.
Bruh when it came out he was an SS veteran, for that first week they tried to make it seem like no big deal; I'm not gonna forget that!
Exactly, the only reasonable and humane position is to end the bloodshed with diplomacy immediately
Have you seen Raytheon stock price ? Not a chance ! With Russian blood this cheap.
their casualty ratio is very low, ranging from 10:1 to 20:1. also they have enough volunteers atm where they don't need to force people to fight.
@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
I'm talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
do you admit ukrainian shelling of the breakaway republics was mass murder? or do they not count bc they speak the wrong language?
They were trying to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Russians in the independent republics. Also stop the continual acts of terrorism coming from the CIA controlled SBU (there's a NYT article about this subject FYI)
Every man who gets away stays alive to rebuild later. Every man who gets caught extends the war and dies for nothing.
Huh that's gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.
Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from "kill ruZZian orcs" to "we never supported that war" or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.
Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?
I do because it was yesterday.
There's still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what's happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn't had electricity or water for a year now.
Every now and then people like to conflate the Gaza situation with the Ukrainian one. Both are very unfortunate and sad, but one is waaaay worse.
It was not unlike until 2022 (though still much worse for Palestine), but unlike Palestine, Donbas did got help.
I can 1000% guarantee you that if Iran or Iraq or Egypt invaded Israel in defense of Palestine all the antiwar libs who currently mildly criticize genocide would be frothing their mouths terminal rabies islamophobic and zionist now.
Yes but Blinken said Russia is committing genocide so la la la la la I cant hear you!!!
Slava ukrainazis!!!!
Russia isn't targeting civilians. Also in Ukraine they draft poor people to die
Workers, hearken, they are going to war
And they yell: "For nation and race!"
This war is the rulers of the world's
Against the working classes!
Hanns Eisler in "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch"
(works for both sides ngl)
That's one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, way of living and freedom. But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.
Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.
Edited to way of living to help the literally ones
If you're not ready to protect life and freedom by getting blown up within a week of arriving at the front in an unwinnable war you're a bad person.
bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom
How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn't be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren't Ukrainians defending that part of the country?
When you say freedom, what do you mean? Freedom to do what? You're talking about a place that under capitalist restoration became the poorest country in Europe and (as is tradition) uses ethnic violence to divide its working class that might otherwise kill its rulers. I'm thinking a lot of the population might not feel they actually have the freedom to actually do a whole lot. Some of them seem to want the freedom to continue living, or the freedom to not fight in a NATO proxy war, but you don't seem to care about those freedoms. So, again, what are you talking about?
ITT people that claim they hate trump have the same opinion on one of the biggest political issues for the same reason, they love Russian expansion.
Understanding so shallow you need Low-angle X-ray Diffraction to quantify it
Ok, but like realistically what do you think the outcome in this war is? Do you think there is a realistic path forwards in which Ukraine beats Russia?
If your answer to that is yes, then I don’t know what to say to you. Ukraine is getting overrun by material and people from its much larger opponent. The only way to tip that balance is the rest of nato going hot(er) and joining the war and then we have ww3 - which I hardly need to point out the devastating consequences of for the whole world.
If your answer to that is no, then what does conscription of men and the continuation of the war achieve? Other than greater suffering, death and destruction. How can that be good? I don’t want Russia to win per-say, this is a brutal war between two reactionary powers. But I do wish for all the civilians in the affected area that the war stops, so their children will stop being killed in the collateral and they can stop sacrificing their sons and fathers to the meat grinder. It is clear that Ukraine isn’t winning so the path to peace is Russia wins.
Russia winning is the most good realistic outcome.
I'd love to see a response to this, but then they've probably had an aneurysm
Stop it Bobby, if those liberals could parse information they’d be very upset.
You say, every small country should all just let their bigger neighbours get control over them without a fight, because “tHiS wAr Is aLrEAdy LoST”?
Russia makes military fail after military fail and achieve no land except some useless corn fields. But “tHeY aRe the 2nd stRoNgEst mIliTary”. While they take tanks out of museums because all their toys get humiliated by drone swarms.
🤷🏻 but I guess you with your opinion (like me with mine) do not change the sad stuff that is happening
You say, every small country should all just let their bigger neighbours get control over them without a fight, because “tHiS wAr Is aLrEAdy LoST”?
I literally did not say that. In fact nothing of what you’ve put in quotation marks is a quotation of mine. Truly you have a beautiful mind. I very much doubt you really care about other nations territorial integrity, in the way your argument seems to suggest, as I doubt you’re making the same arguments when America or other nato aligned nations invade other countries.
Regarding Russian military successes and failures, I think there have been heavy losses on both sides, and major humiliations on both sides. However given that Russia controls nearly a fifth of Ukraines territory and that number is going up not down, I’d suggest that they’re doing ok in terms of land gains. Which isn’t even the main objective of Russia in this moment who have pivoted to a war of attrition, which they will certainly win.
So back to my previous point, what do you think is going to happen? And given the inevitable conclusion, why do you want to promote the war in which you will be sending thousands of Ukrainians (and indeed Russians) to a futile death?
No invasion is never good, not from IS not from russia not from china not from Israel not from germany and not from korea (both sides) as examples
I don’t really pick general sides, but with an invasion, for me, it is clear that the invading party is generally the bad guy
There was nearly no loss nor gains of Landmasses within Ukrine for over a year now, but since Ukrine got their fighter jets, they took some Russia land, apparently.
To try predict the future, I think Ukraine’s Plan to get more and more of Russia land in order to trade all lands back as they were before war, may work, given the NATO (especially US) keeps on giving the weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.
Ahh yes, history always begins on the day of the invasion. The western allies were wrong to invade France on D-Day as being the invader is always bad. There is never any preceding events that may give light to the motives of the attacker. For good or for bad. Libs ‘consider world events not just on in-the-moment vibes’ challenge: impossible.
There being no losses or gains in Ukraine is because Russia has changed its tactics, they’re now grinding it out until Ukraine collapses totally due to lack of material and manpower, not going for territorial gains. Despite this they’re still making strategically important gains in Ukraine. You know Russia has reclaimed a quarter of that land in Kursk back already don’t you? Also that it is a tiny region of land they claimed in the first place, 300 down from 400 square miles. Your vision of the future where Ukraine takes huge swaths of Russia and trades for occupied Ukrainian lands is never going to happen.
A invasion in answer of a recent invasion to reclaim the land back is nit making you the bad guy.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
And to the second part, so to your logic, every country that is weaker than a neighbour should just let them in taking all the land?!
Ok so you do accept that history can provide legitimate motives for an event?
Ukraine did not invade Russia
Cmon you’re almost there, one nations invasion isn’t the only thing that could justify another nations invasion. Other acts of violence across the border of another nation could be legitimate grounds for an invasion too.
And to the second part, so to your logic, every country that is weaker than a neighbour should just let them in taking all the land?!
Again, I literally did not say that, that’s your logic not mine. I don’t believe in nations full stop. It’s a very dumb concept that seeks to divide and control. I believe all nations should be dissolved and we should all live in stateless queer communist paradise.
But…
How I think the world should be is irrelevant. What I believe other countries should and shouldn’t do is irrelevant. This is idealism. Idealism is nonsense.
The only thing that matters is the material reality of a situation. The material reality is nations exist. Nations use violence to further their interests. Some nations are stronger than others. Some nations band together in defensive pacts to prevent aggression from larger neighbours. Some strong nations band together in pacts to assert their will and control over weaker nations and dole out violence with impunity. Whether anyone should or shouldn’t do these things is neither here nor there, the simple fact of the matter is that they do engage in these actions, therefore what matters is how you react to the current situation. And the material reality of the Ukraine war, as it is right now, is that Ukraine will lose and Russia will win. So what is your desired course of action given the existing material reality?
First, yes
Second, as long as you stay within your boards at being a dick, I can accept it and think that it no justification for invasion.
It is not my logic either ✌🏻 I just wanted to be sure that I understood correctly. Turns out, seems like not.
As last point, I think supporting Ukraine is a good thing, since I don’t want the signal present that you can just invade your little neighbour without worldwide consequences. No matter the outcome.
I would wish same would happen to Isreal, which is invading 3(?) countries right now…
Humanity's favourite past time to trying the best to rip each other apart in any ways. On the battle fields of war but also in a comment section. It is hilarious to watch.
