One; holy shit.
Two; the south rather famously lost to war, then used a guerilla terrorist army to re-assert defacto slavery only a decade later.
Also, it's not like the Southerners faced many real consequences for losing the Civil War. This Israeli is acting like, after the war, all the Confederates were rounded up and tried for their crimes.
it's not like the Southerners faced many real consequences for losing the Civil War.
Hundreds of thousands dead and more maimed or blinded or traumatized for life, enormous economic carnage (not talking slavery just all the physical capital that was obliterated by strategic necessity), and the looting of state treasuries by every form of unscrupulous war monger?
War is always awful. Civil War is the worst kind of awful. That the confederates managed to reconstitute as a rump political force inside a generation didn't spare the Southern States from underdevelopment, exploitation, and grinding poverty for the next 180 years. If anything, the endless doubling down on a dream of insurgency just exacerbated their miserable state.
Hundreds of thousands dead and more maimed or blinded or traumatized for life, enormous economic carnage (not talking slavery just all the physical capital that was obliterated by strategic necessity), and the looting of state treasuries by every form of unscrupulous war monger?
Few of the slave owners were the ones that fought and died. Those were poor whites almost exclusively. The plantation owners were absolutely fine.
That the confederates managed to reconstitute as a rump political force inside a generation didn’t spare the Southern States from underdevelopment, exploitation, and grinding poverty for the next 180 years
Those same former slave owners are the ones that underdeveloped the South so that they could exploit cheap labor and continue superexploitation of Black people.
The Southern slaver aristocracy should have been executed.
Few of the slave owners were the ones that fought and died. Those were poor whites almost exclusively.
Plenty of Confederate Junior officers came from the planter class and got killed in the fighting.
The Southern slaver aristocracy should have been executed.
At a minimum, lands stripped and distributed to the people, certainly. Although, there would have been a certain special irony if Lee had been hung at Charles Town, Virginia on Dec 2, 1865.
some of them, those who could not accept the notion of living amongst so many freed slaves, fled to the PNW to create a white supremacist utopia where black people would be legally and formally excluded. https://www.oregonlive.com/history/2020/06/oregons-founders-sought-a-white-utopia-a-stain-of-racism-that-lives-on-even-as-state-celebrates-its-progressivism.html
others, those who could not accept the destruction of slavery and the loss of the planter class' dominance over their little fiefdoms, fled to Brazil to start it all again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados
really not looking forward to becoming a place where white supremacist ex-Israelis relocate to en masse to make their new project, based on whatever heinous feature they find most appealing about their genocidal settler state.
CW: historical racism
In 1857, after Oregon voters had voted for statehood, they subsequently called for a constitutional convention.
The emergent constitution contained 185 sections, 172 of which were taken from various other state constitutions, with the additions primarily being racial exclusion or finance related.[14] The document enshrined an exclusion law into Section 35 of the Bill of Rights within the Oregon State Constitution.[15] The article read as follows:
No free negro or mulatto not residing in this state at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall come, reside or be within this state or hold any real estate, or make any contracts, or maintain any suit therein; and the legislative assembly shall provide by penal laws for the removal by public officers of all such negroes and mulattoes, and for their effectual exclusion from the state, and for the punishment of persons who shall bring them into the state, or employ or harbor them.[15]
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In 1925, the Oregon legislature proposed the formal repeal of Section 35, adopted as House Joint Resolution 8 (1925). The measure was referred to Oregon voters as a 1926 ballot initiative which was approved with 62.5% in favor.
really not looking forward to becoming a place where white supremacist ex-Israelis relocate to en masse to make their new project
Floridians won't really notice a difference, except maybe when the Cuban and Israeli Mafias start openly feuding.
For some reason my dumb brain couldn't parse that they were referring to the American Civil War and not some weird euphemism for the ongoing genocide in southern Palestine.
I know this is a dredge/dunk, but I hope this presents a hope that Israelis and their children would become malleable, in the event of the collapse of the state of Israel, to the establishment of a binational unitary state of Palestine. Most people are "go along to get along" and after their exhaustion of war and sanction - hopefully soon - and the Israelis who chose not to leave or could not leave will just learn to adapt, with growing pains, to the reality that does not privilege them.
this presents a hope that Israelis and their children would become malleable, in the event of the collapse of the state of Israel, to the establishment of a binational unitary state of Palestine
Is that what happened during Reconstruction?
No, because the analogy to that would be a slave revolt winning against the south
What happened historically can be likened to either Netanyahu getting couped by liberal Zionists or Jordan annexing all of Occupied Palestine but remaining a Hashemite comprador nation
the analogy to that would be a slave revolt winning against the south
If Israel collapsed, my money would be on a neighboring US ally's military - Egypt, Jordan, Turkyie, or SA - taking over.
Not a slave revolution, but a replacement of Ashkanazi/Sephardic Israeli nationalists with a neoliberal-ish protectorate, while locals continue to feud in the Balkin States model.
What happened historically can be likened to either Netanyahu getting couped by liberal Zionists or Jordan annexing all of Occupied Palestine but remaining a Hashemite comprador nation
I don't think there's anything seriously resembling Liberal Zionism anymore. But that other one seems possible.
This makes sense and is very self-aware, it reminds me of Camus trying to reconcile his anti colonialism with the fact that his mother lived in Algeria. Material conditions, folks, they'll fuck you up!
