seems like we only have ~10 years to deal with climate change. also seems like joe biden is gonna get the nom. What the fuck do we do in these next few years given that the dems are not remotely interested in dealing with climate change in any real way?

    • OhWell [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Any civil war in the US will be between nuclear armed factions of what is left of a broken US military.

      You should listen to Robert Evans' 'It Could Happen Here' podcast and read up on civil wars like in Yugoslavia, Syria and Lebanon. It's not all about nuclear weapons.

        • OhWell [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Read up on it anyway. Nuclear weapons aren't a McGuffin that is going to decide everything. The government will most likely still have possession of them.

          A civil war is not going to be left vs right. Not in a country like the US. It will be split racially, culturally and by class. There will be several factions all fighting each other. I told you to go read about Lebanon and Yugoslavia cause the similarities are there, especially Yugoslavia. They suffered an economical collapse and had many ethnicities who retreated into mythology about how great they used to be (MAGA) and blaming others. Lebanon was similar with all of it's culture differences and many groups.

            • the_river_cass [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              different regions would be seized by different groups so different weapons might fall into the hands of some group, sure. but as the central state collapses, which is what balkanization implies, it's not going to suddenly turn around and start nuking within it's own borders. chemical and biological weapons? sure. but you can't really hide nukes going off. it would literally invite invasion.

              if it's some splinter group that gets its hands on a nuclear weapon, they have to do so with knowledge of how to unlock, arm, and fire the things, so outside of splinter factions of the US military, that's also out.

              that said, we're also likely to get invaded as the whole world has a stake in the outcome, at which point the state using nukes seems more reasonable, but they're much more likely to try to hit the invading countries back home as to try and hit american soil.

              so all in all, I don't think nukes are likely if we balkanize due to the onset of a civil war.

                • the_river_cass [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  you're assuming a coherent entity capable of making these choices. in fact, it will be many small groups making their own calls because no one can tell what the central authority even wants. while they still retain control, they'll be cautious about showing weakness to the outside world. once control starts slipping (which will likely happen before the start any of conflict), too many factions will be vying for power within and around the state. I'm not saying it's impossible that bombs go off. I'm saying that it's unlikely to be a tactical decision made for the furtherance of a war.

    • crime [she/her, any]
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      4 years ago

      More likely a civil war will be guerrilla fighting between a handful of different insurgent groups than different factions of the US military fighting each other. Of course given the military's penchant for losing nukes and that we live in hell, i wouldn't be surprised if some of the militias end up with them lol

            • crime [she/her, any]
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              4 years ago

              There's too many hypotheticals to say for certain what would happen one way or another. Obviously one possibility is the former US nuking itself to oblivion and dooming the rest of the world to a nuclear winter.

              If you dont like talking about it then don't participate in the discussions? No one's forcing you to

            • OhWell [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              these daily fantasies about balkanization are boring and reek of cope

              It's more realistic than the daily bullshit on here talking up China like they are some communist utopia.