So, I guess sort of like Hamilton, but with Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin.
This idea is either brilliant or incredibly terrible. You be the judge.
Discuss.
If you made the Hamilton version of the October Rev, the libs would make Kerensky the hero
They also would probably make Nicky a tragic hero who truly cared for his people and wanted to do good but just wasn't up to the job.
MIKE DUNCAN NO! :(
Haven't gotten to that season yet but that's sad to hear.
He doesn’t quite go that far, but he does stress how incompetent and unprepared Nicky was as a leader. He’s only done up to 1905 as well, so maybe he’s more harsh later on. He kinda presents Nicholas as a man trapped in a historical role and forced to act it out (which is actually kind of a materialist take I guess).
You would be lucky if they didn’t make the Tsar the hero
All the libs would sympathize with trotsky the most and none of the newly radicalized viewers will be in the same party
So many leftists have internalized the Liberal myth of Trotsky (he's just like Snowball from the farm animal book!!!), and in contrarianism now have an equally inaccurate view of the man. One formed almost entirely by memes, with no examination of his actual actions, and thought.
Like yeah, the guy who: led the Red army in the Russian Civil War, and supported the Chinese Communists when the Party (including Stalin) backed the Kuomintang) must've just been a huge Lib all that time.
Read "The Revolution Betrayed", its good and Trotsky's has only been vindicated in his belief that the USSR would fall as a result of a Capitalistic restoration led by the Bureaucracy.
Just because some shitty parties call themselves "Trotskyist" doesn't mean the man was bad, Euro-Communism was led by shitty parties who called themselves Marxist.
Trotsky was a traitor and spent most of his time flip-flopping. He didn't even support the Bolsheviks until the end when it became clear that they were going to win. He is the first revisionist in a long line, spending most of his time writing about "Stalinism".
He was angry that he didn't get to lead the USSR and betrayed them as he was exiled from the country and spent a lot of time hanging out with fascists in Europe before going to the US and later Mexico. He got what he deserved in the end.
He didn’t even support the Bolsheviks until the end when it became clear that they were going to win
While yes, he was not a formal member of the Bolsheviks until weeks before the October Revolution, he was nonetheless deeply affiliated with the Russian Communists, both as a Newspaper editor (he founded Pravda ffs) and later as an MP for a different SDLP factional party after the February Revolution. The respect which Bolsheviks, primarily Lenin, had for him is proven in how he was almost immediately given crucial roles in the Soviet Government as Minister for Foreign affairs, and later Leader of the Red Army. And it was certainly not clear the Reds were going to win when he did this, in fact the deck seemed deeply stacked against the Red Army for much of the Russian Civil War. Also read this 1932 account by Stalin of Trotsky's chief role in organizing the fucking October Revolution.
All practical work in connection with the organization of the uprising was done under the immediate direction of Comrade Trotsky, the President of the Petrograd Soviet. It can be stated with certainty that the Party is indebted primarily and principally to Comrade Trotsky for the rapid going over of the garrison to the side of the Soviet and the efficient manner in which the work of the Military Revolutionary Committee was organized.
Later
He was angry that he didn’t get to lead the USSR and betrayed them as he was exiled from the country
He was angry because he could see that the path which Stalin was leading the USSR towards was deeply mistaken, and was exiled because Stalin couldn't tolerate any internal criticism of him by the Left Opposition.
spent a lot of time hanging out with fascists in Europe
Stalinist claims that Trotsky associated with the Fascist regimes in Italy and Germany are laughably lacking in real, historical, evidence. But if you are interested in his opinions towards Fascism, please read "Fascism: What It Is and How To Fight It" . Also Stalin actually cooperated with Fascists, Moltov-Ribentrop Pact.
I'm begging you to read something besides Grover Furr.
He got what he deserved in the end.
The man who brilliantly led the Red Army to victory against actual reactionaries during the Russian Civil War did not deserve to be brutally murdered for the crime of opposing Stalin from Mexico, while holding virtually zero influence in the actual USSR.
This is a mix of takes. To say that the Moltov-Ribentrop Pact was cooperating disturbs the situation at the time, a lot. You could add that the soviet union did send oil to baci Germany, too!
During a post revolutionary time in a country that just managed to squash the counter revolution to say geopolitics is cooperating like at the wild as idealistic instead of materialist.
Idealistic criticisms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact are common, but to say that materialistic critiques of it is impossible is plain wrong.
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The M/R Pact marked a reversal of the Comintern line from one of Anti-Fascism to one of implicit cooperation. This lead to the disillusionment of a great deal of formerly committed Communists, and a weakening of global Anti-Fascism, and Communist Parties.
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It's very arguable that Nazi Germany benefited far more from the economic components of the M/R Pact, than the Soviet Union. They were deeply reliant on Soviet resources to fuel its conquest (like 60-80% of their total imports in 1940-41 came from the USSR ), and later; Operation Barbarossa. The Third Reich only paid out a third of what it promised, while the Soviet Union supplied the full quantity of resources demanded.
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Furthermore, the M/R Pact ended American arms supplies to the USSR. The Red Army was far more dependent on American,not German, arms for their rearmament programs.
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Contrary to the idea that the M/R Pact was only a decision of realpolitik to better prepare for War with the Third Reich, it instead induced a degree of complacency in Soviet Leadership, to the point that the Red Army divisions on the border were deeply unprepared (and only partially mobilized) during the initial stages of Operation Barbarossa. And Stalin was similarly shocked by the Nazi invasion, despite him being warned of it's imminent possibility by reliable sources dozens of times prior.
"but to say that materialistic critiques of it is impossible is plain wrong."
Completely with you. It just can't remain in a realm where moralistic arguments are used, instead of those that are aware of consequences.
I'm glad to see that we seem to be in agreement.
I actually regret my brief and unsubstantiated reference to the M/R Pact in my original comment, it clearly only distracts from my overall point, and am only leaving it up so that the context is preserved for any future lurkers.
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can’t believe actual trots exist. What is wrong with you people? Why can’t you just grill the bourgeoise for god sake
Alright, but instead of them all being POC they are all girls owo
Yeah that play flat out forgot the last letter of the founding fathers' favourite activity.
Yeah its called the East is Red, except its the Chinese Revolution and in Chinese. It was a grand state-funded thing not achievable by private entities.
last time I watched it on wikipedia, lmao. haven't ever found a real HD version
I'm pretty high but what if we made it all pop country tunes to radicalize working class chuds
I had a dream where I wrote a musical about Jeff bezos. The lead actor descended onto the stage via delivery drones.
I have very vivid dreams when I'm on a drink.
Yeah that was the gist tonally, though the plot line ended with him becoming the leader of the world after preventing some sort of disaster.
Yo it's Stalin
With my big moustache
But I ain't stallin'
To take out the fash trash
Les Miserables is actually the tale of the first Socialist revolt against the Bourgeois State. Libs never get that Enjolras and the crew were rebelling against them.
Ask the tiktok kids to do it. They've already done a musical of Ratatouille, Avatar the Last Airbender, and having a fight with your SO in the grocery store.
I want to make a graphic novel about the battle of Blair Mountain whose anniversary is next year. That's my dream...
That sounds like a pretty awesome idea. What’s the current status, just curious?
Would the Russian government ever fund something like this? Seems like maybe a good way to foster positive views of Russians and Russian history.
Russian government's position can be summarised as "Lenin bad, Stalin good" for obvious reasons. They financed an expensive movie about the Decemberist revolt which took liberties to portray revolutionaries as misguided idealists at best.
