In this thread we post our most :LIB: takes, and discuss whether that is the logical end point on a given topic or whether we need to lose that last bit of liberalism.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    In the culture books you get one free murder, then you spend the rest of your life with your cool new buddy; A gun drone that will pop your head like an egg if you do anything aggressive.

    • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      You know most murders are crimes of passion where the killer has probably never killed before and probably doesn’t plan on ever doing it again. This is basically saying everyone gets to strangle one person who really pissed them off Scott free and then resume life as normal.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah pretty much. I mean, we know more or less for a fact that prison as deterrence doesn't work, especially in crimes of passion. The idea with the culture is that they've removed every conceivable material reason for violence, and all that's left is things they genuinely can't predict and can't prevent, that aren't likely to cause further danger to the community.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Well, there's no way to tell if someone is going to murder people until they murder someone, and after they're still nominally free, unless they try to do murders, in which case their chaperone paints them all over the walls and ceiling. There's no bars or fences, but you're still on a "don't hurt people" leash.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago
          1. The "your first murder is free!" rule is ripe for abuse.
          2. What if the machine fucks up and kills you over something it shouldn't?
          3. The death penalty is bad and should be abolished; this sentences every murderer to a suspended death penalty with a hair trigger.
    • vermetel [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Isn't it more "one attempted murder", where "attempted' means "you are up against an AI god whose battles with other AI gods last microseconds at most and also knows everything going on around it, good luck"?