Don't say "at least 3" :biden: I already thought of that

EDIT: This is more of a discussion starter. I have some of my own ideas but I'm curious about the variety of takes y'all have.

  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, Monk, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock , and Wizard. If you buy an extra book you can play as an Artificer.

    • Zoift [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      You're missing Kerryposter & bitposter.

      • mine [she/her,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        where does BASED_BALL fit here or do we need another class for struggle session starters?

        • Zoift [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Ahh, the rare Schrödingerposter. Based_Ball is a superposition of all possible posts, only collapsing into a stable post-form when read.

    • TheOneTrueChapo [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Smh this is no different than rebranding the working class into different sub categories like "lower middle class" and stuff.

      Poster, lurker, mod, admin. That's it

    • NeoAnabaptist [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      There are also OPs. As you can see I have a unique branding beside my name that designates me as such; hence it's a class.

      • 420sixtynine [any,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Only the CS class tbh, my history class is interesting but like I'm inundated by work, it's basically 4 hours of work per class period whereas if it were in person it would be 1. I'm also taking Calculus for the 3rd time because the first time I took it the professor was shitty, no one in the class passed, then the second time I took it I passed but quarter credits don't transfer to semester very well, and then I took an intro to logic class which II just got lost and dropped it

        • NeoAnabaptist [any]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Only the CS class tbh

          Nice! I studied CS too. It's really a sort of trade and I've found it comes in handy more and more as life goes on.

          it’s basically 4 hours of work per class period whereas if it were in person it would be 1

          Oof do not envy that

          I’m also taking Calculus for the 3rd time

          Fuck calculus honestly, I love the subject but I had such a brutal teacher in first year undergrad and that seems pretty typical. I made it through Calc I but my mental health declined and I didn't make it to a single Calc II class and just dropped it.

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]
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    4 years ago

    There are 13 in total

    Lumpenproletariat

    Proletariat

    Swoletariat

    Secretariat

    Social Media Influencer

    Petit Bourgeoisie

    Bourgeoisie

    Burger Sea

    Kulaks

    PMC dickhole

    European aristocrats

    NWO lizard people

    G*mers

    • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Oh okay, I'm glad I'm not upper class then. Working 100,000 times harder that I do now would be exhausting, best just leave that for them.

  • Zodiark [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Nomad, Slave, Slave-Owner, Peasant Farmer, Aritsan, Unskilled Laborer who left to the cities after Enclosure, the Merchants, professional soldier/warrior, the Aristocracy, Monarchy, and Clergy.

    Marx's Communist Manifesto theorized that Capitalism simplified these relationships between capital-owners (bourgeoisie) who made their living off investments, lending, and ownership of capital goods(means of production) and the labor class (proleteriat) who manufactured raw materials into commodities.

    In Europe, Spain, and the Middle East, I would argue that the Jewish people were its own class, with its own unique circumstances of oppression, as their professions were limited by the ruling class of society, and were subjected to unique taxes and courts, and scapegoating.

    If you have Netflix, check out Cathedral of the Sea, a drama of a medieval world in the 14th century Barcelona where workers, peasants, and bourgeoisie live and thrive under the rule of nobles, clergy, and the wealthy.

    • NeoAnabaptist [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      IMO the Marxist perspective has others under other modes of production, but yeah you're right.

      I think it's worth exploring the variations though. What would you put on the list?

  • LaughingLion [any, any]
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    4 years ago

    Depends on how much you want to spend. There's first class, of course, but there chair cars and the sleeper cars. It really depends on which country you are in and what carrier the rail is.

    No matter what it says on your ticket though I think we can all agree that riding in trains is fun, comrade.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      There's actually only one, and the other one is a temporary abnormality. Any "subclasses" are just terms used to describe the particular condition of the abnormality.

        • vanityfairz [he/him]
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          4 years ago

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        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I mean, as communists we belong in the movement towards a stateless, classless society. I also believe that that state of existence is the base state. So yeah, there are classes currently, but that aren't a natural immutable thing. Currently though, we gotta behead those abnormalities in the same way you cut out a cancerous tumor.

          • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            The 'classless society' just means that there is only 1 class that exists. Which is to say the entire population has a similar relation to the means of production and their interests at a societal level are aligned, rather than multiple classes with fundamentally different relations of production and an unresolvable tension between their interests.

            What classes exist is a result of people reacting to the conditions of the world around them. There is no natural state independent of context.

            • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Fair, I guess no matter the mode of production, some form of classification of individuals will exist. It's just that a "classless" society is one where those classifications don't have a significant effect on your material conditions.

    • spectre [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Can you define these? Some of the terms I'm not so familiar with.

      • ElChango [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I've heard "haute bourgie" and "national bourgie" to describe business owners who make money exploiting global workers (haute) vs domestic workers (national).

        • WIIHAPPYFEW [he/him, they/them]
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          4 years ago

          The national bourgeoisie could also potentially ally with revolutionaries for some time if the current government doesn’t benefit them enough, although this almost always happens in colonies and other exploited nations, such as China during its civil war.

  • fuckhaha [any,none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    A class is just a group that shares attributes. You can subdivide people (if people is your interest) into any number of classes to suit whatever point about them you are trying to make. Some divisions will be more useful than others for explaining the way the world looks, but the division itself happens not out in the world but in the process of explaining the world. Keep that in mind when you identify as 'working class' like it is a name you were born with, like a genetic marker or even a culture you were educated in, because what it is in reality is a group defined by their relationship to the means of production for the purposes of defining them separately from others with different relationships to the same and nothing more

    Working class solidarity is thus not defined by talking right or being nice to the little guy or identifying yourself correctly, but by understanding that you share with others in what Marx defined as the 'working class' a specific set of attributes that amount to overlapping interests - namely the counteracting of the interests of the other class.