I don't think you should consider the behavior here to be representative of how these people behave IRL except when they are dealing with overtly rude bigots.
I have had trans people try to convince me that I am trans
To be fair the only people that think about trans people as much as you seem to think about them are people who are questioning their gender or nazis. You should be grateful they assume the best of you instead of just calling you out for what you are while smashing your face in.
Someone can't get past liberal definitionalism and thinks that the goal of LGBT+ alliances are based on necessary and sufficient conditions ("attraction, specific, others don't count" claims) instead of understanding the goal of opposing a line of oppression everywhere it reaches. The way homophobia works is very similar to transphobia, so the fight is perfect to combine. Put the oppressors all on the wall because this chain of phobias will only change focus if you don't end it at the root.
Then we have the gay fascists who want to just put others on the wall using similar oppression to appease their own oppressors. It's the same function as fascists at the geographical edge of the imperialist/fascistic expropriation border.
Saying this for the people listening not to you, turtle power. You're an asshole and only shame can possibly make you reconsider your assholery
Oh just fuck off you transphobic, ableist piece of shit.
You come here saying the most ignorant, insensitive crap and then try to demand people to answer you?
And stop with the LGB bullshit. Will it take you imbeciles having your skulls literally crushed by fascists to realize that siding with this alt-right rethoric is the wrong fucking thing to do?
So, I started writing a (very) long answer with lots of detail, to respectfully and honestly answer your questions, from the PoV of a non-trans person that did quite a bit of research, but I stopped.
I just can't. Neither can I be respectful towards you anymore. Your constant misuse of the term "mental illness" is aggravating, and quite frankly, disturbing. To the point I am wondering if it isn't, in fact, a cry for help.
Are you mentally ill? Do you need help? It would really seem that you do.
Just as a thought to ponder: when most other people are mentally ill, maybe you should consider seeing a shrink.
I also want to correct a few things, not for the user I'm answering to, but for anyone reading my comment, because I just can't let such a heap of manure stand uncorrected:
There is no such thing as "physical gender". Gender is a coercion and domination religious tool.
Being trans, or identifying as a different gender, is a means to escape religious shackles. Escaping religious shackles isn't "mental illness".
"Mental abnormalities" are bullshit. We aren't computers, we are humans, and all different. There is no normal, except maybe the norm that most dimwitted people have no issue with LARPing a bullshit character decided for them, their entire life...
Comparing "AD(H)D, BPD, Schizophrenia, etc" is exactly like comparing "bud light, meth, crack, etc". I know that on the post-2015-internet people talk mostly out of their asses, but that doesn't make it ok.
Dysmorphia is a mental disorder. Dysphoria is "acute anxiety". Again with the mental disorder implication.
Force feeding medication to alleged "mentally sick" people is a nazi method. A humane approach is to provide care. As in talking with them, listening to them, helping realize, overcome traumas, (re)constructing an identity, etc.
Feeling uneasy with one's body is common, it is caused by the image communicated by society about what a "desirable body" is, and the difference between that image and one's body.
Medical and psychological care aren't opposed, nor they are opposable.
I hope you get stuck in traffic for a comically long amount of time on your morning commute. I hope both sides of your pillow are lukewarm. I hope you shit your pants in a social gathering and have to awkwardly crabwalk out of the center of the crowd while everyone levels you 'the look'. I hope you burn your tongue and everything tastes weird for the rest of the day. I hope you stammer for a good six seconds trying to bail out on the improper 'you too' you offered the waitress serving you food, while she just hovers there, expecting something she has to add on to the order, but ultimately not receiving it as your attempt to recover fizzles out with a whimper. I hope you sleep weird on your shoulder and it aches for the rest of the week. I hope you bite your cheek. I wish you a constant stream of unfortunate and inconvenient happenings
Mental disorders are a social construct. Gender is too. That means they are "real" but only insofar as we ascribe meaning to them collectively as a society.
Why do you think The Gay is no longer considered a mental disorder? Do you think we just... discovered something out in the rainforest that proved Gay to be Normal? No, we recognized that it's a bigoted and harmful way to respond to human behavior.
Also, the reason people don't want to engage with you is because you're a giant fucking twat repeating some of the most hateful rhetoric while claiming civility. Go fuck yourself you loathesome piece of garbage. If you really think you're queer then you really must be one of the most self-hating pieces of shit on Lemmy.
I will answer everyone of your questions if, after, you answer 5 questions of mine. Deal?
Edit: Just took a look through this person's comment history. There's no point in having a discussion with them. They've lied repeatedly about who and what they are but their entire posting history is tedious. Dude won't learn, accept criticism or new knowledge. He's a Fox News viewer. Just block him and move on with your life. He isn't even worth the oxygen required to type this message.
So, these rights protect a persons will to be who they want to be, and to do what they want to do. They aim to let a person live their life, unbothered.
Because it isn't a delusion? Delusions are very specific things in mental health and having a different view of your gender than what society assigns to you isn't a delusion like say thinking my wife is out to kill me which would be a delusion since I don't have a wife.
Gender dysmorphia does exist but it isn't something every transperson experiences. The medical solution to gender dysmorphia is transitioning to your perceived gender.
Basically you are fundamentally mistaken in everything you seem to be convinced of. I think this is a moment for you to ask yourself to what extent are you actually educated in mental health as that seems to be the root of your confusion.
I don't think it is a delusion at all.
But even if you think of it as a mental health issue. Wouldn't it be more helpful to treat them in a way that makes them more comfortable? Just basic human decency. At least for me, I would feel uncomfortable or maybe even slightly offended when someone would treat me as a another gender, I don't feel part of, especially if they know better. (Not LGBTQIA, so I can't say much about that).
EDIT: removed an accidentally offensive part entirely. Sorry :(
“You don’t actually have more energy or less attention, it’s all in your head. You just need some pills so you can crush your abnormal consciousness and fit the mold known as “normal.””
Mental health issues are treated medically all the time. Drugs + therapy are common treatments for nearly all mental health issues. Who's to say that gender dysphoria (not dysmorphia) isn't treated the same?
And if someone wants to physically alter their body to match their preferred gender, what's it to you? Honestly why do you care so much? I can't help but imagine those like you as those codgy people with antiquated ideals, spewing hate and judgement because someone has tattoos or body piercings.
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ok i want VIOLENCE
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Hi i'm cis, shut the fuck up and get in the pit loser
yeah im here to break your fucking knees and put you in a coma
you should come over some time
Here is a great source that I think will answer all your questions. :)
Follow your leader
I'm cis too. Have you considered that people have a very good reason to not like you invalidating their existence?
I don't think you should consider the behavior here to be representative of how these people behave IRL except when they are dealing with overtly rude bigots.
No, fuck off
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That's real productive discourse there. It answers all the questions I asked!
Follow your leader
Oh fuck off
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Follow your leader
go rewatch harry potter. stop posting because you suck at it.
To be fair the only people that think about trans people as much as you seem to think about them are people who are questioning their gender or nazis. You should be grateful they assume the best of you instead of just calling you out for what you are while smashing your face in.
Someone can't get past liberal definitionalism and thinks that the goal of LGBT+ alliances are based on necessary and sufficient conditions ("attraction, specific, others don't count" claims) instead of understanding the goal of opposing a line of oppression everywhere it reaches. The way homophobia works is very similar to transphobia, so the fight is perfect to combine. Put the oppressors all on the wall because this chain of phobias will only change focus if you don't end it at the root.
Then we have the gay fascists who want to just put others on the wall using similar oppression to appease their own oppressors. It's the same function as fascists at the geographical edge of the imperialist/fascistic expropriation border.
Saying this for the people listening not to you, turtle power. You're an asshole and only shame can possibly make you reconsider your assholery
its funny cause hes already been banned on hexbear so we cant see him calling the evil transgenders tankie 😏
Damn, gonna have to make a new account somewhere to keep up the attack then. LGB-without-T folks gotta be attacked into correctness
Rip out the intruder through the root of the weed.
Oh just fuck off you transphobic, ableist piece of shit.
You come here saying the most ignorant, insensitive crap and then try to demand people to answer you?
And stop with the LGB bullshit. Will it take you imbeciles having your skulls literally crushed by fascists to realize that siding with this alt-right rethoric is the wrong fucking thing to do?
So, I started writing a (very) long answer with lots of detail, to respectfully and honestly answer your questions, from the PoV of a non-trans person that did quite a bit of research, but I stopped.
I just can't. Neither can I be respectful towards you anymore. Your constant misuse of the term "mental illness" is aggravating, and quite frankly, disturbing. To the point I am wondering if it isn't, in fact, a cry for help.
Are you mentally ill? Do you need help? It would really seem that you do.
Just as a thought to ponder: when most other people are mentally ill, maybe you should consider seeing a shrink.
I also want to correct a few things, not for the user I'm answering to, but for anyone reading my comment, because I just can't let such a heap of manure stand uncorrected:
I hope you get stuck in traffic for a comically long amount of time on your morning commute. I hope both sides of your pillow are lukewarm. I hope you shit your pants in a social gathering and have to awkwardly crabwalk out of the center of the crowd while everyone levels you 'the look'. I hope you burn your tongue and everything tastes weird for the rest of the day. I hope you stammer for a good six seconds trying to bail out on the improper 'you too' you offered the waitress serving you food, while she just hovers there, expecting something she has to add on to the order, but ultimately not receiving it as your attempt to recover fizzles out with a whimper. I hope you sleep weird on your shoulder and it aches for the rest of the week. I hope you bite your cheek. I wish you a constant stream of unfortunate and inconvenient happenings
hi have you considered going and fucking yourself? it is definitely a more useful thing to do than post this bullshit on the internet
Mental disorders are a social construct. Gender is too. That means they are "real" but only insofar as we ascribe meaning to them collectively as a society.
Why do you think The Gay is no longer considered a mental disorder? Do you think we just... discovered something out in the rainforest that proved Gay to be Normal? No, we recognized that it's a bigoted and harmful way to respond to human behavior.
Also, the reason people don't want to engage with you is because you're a giant fucking twat repeating some of the most hateful rhetoric while claiming civility. Go fuck yourself you loathesome piece of garbage. If you really think you're queer then you really must be one of the most self-hating pieces of shit on Lemmy.
I will answer everyone of your questions if, after, you answer 5 questions of mine. Deal?
Edit: Just took a look through this person's comment history. There's no point in having a discussion with them. They've lied repeatedly about who and what they are but their entire posting history is tedious. Dude won't learn, accept criticism or new knowledge. He's a Fox News viewer. Just block him and move on with your life. He isn't even worth the oxygen required to type this message.
Edit 2: Dude sent me an Angy™ message
Well I got a message for The Liar.
Fix your heart or die.
into the cuck pit you go
Shut the fuck up lmao
And what rights are those, according to you? What human rights do you want for yourself?
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
Good, you know your sources at least.
So, these rights protect a persons will to be who they want to be, and to do what they want to do. They aim to let a person live their life, unbothered.
Yes?
Because it isn't a delusion? Delusions are very specific things in mental health and having a different view of your gender than what society assigns to you isn't a delusion like say thinking my wife is out to kill me which would be a delusion since I don't have a wife.
Gender dysmorphia does exist but it isn't something every transperson experiences. The medical solution to gender dysmorphia is transitioning to your perceived gender.
Basically you are fundamentally mistaken in everything you seem to be convinced of. I think this is a moment for you to ask yourself to what extent are you actually educated in mental health as that seems to be the root of your confusion.
Follow your leader
I don't think it is a delusion at all. But even if you think of it as a mental health issue. Wouldn't it be more helpful to treat them in a way that makes them more comfortable? Just basic human decency. At least for me, I would feel uncomfortable or maybe even slightly offended when someone would treat me as a another gender, I don't feel part of, especially if they know better. (Not LGBTQIA, so I can't say much about that). EDIT: removed an accidentally offensive part entirely. Sorry :(
I don't like that you're implying that transitioning is a stupid decision.
Sorry, I didn't mean it like that, although I'm not quite sure how I could express it differently. I'll remove the part.
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what do you mean by this 🤔
I'm thinking they meant gender affirmation surgery, and got their terms mixed up.
could be 🤔
So sorry! I meant hormone therapy. Fixed it now
all good fam, if you need some questions answered im more than down to help you out
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Wait, you're even invalidating people with ADHD?! That's a first...
“You don’t actually have more energy or less attention, it’s all in your head. You just need some pills so you can crush your abnormal consciousness and fit the mold known as “normal.””
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Please kindly face the wall.
If you liken being trans to a mental disorder you can get in the pit with the rest of the fascists.
In the politest possible way, go fuck yourself.
Mental health issues are treated medically all the time. Drugs + therapy are common treatments for nearly all mental health issues. Who's to say that gender dysphoria (not dysmorphia) isn't treated the same?
And if someone wants to physically alter their body to match their preferred gender, what's it to you? Honestly why do you care so much? I can't help but imagine those like you as those codgy people with antiquated ideals, spewing hate and judgement because someone has tattoos or body piercings.