Yeah good faith is difficult to discern in an online space and with bad faith comes the terf dogwhistles that can look similar. The conflating of race and gender and abolition of gender are both such things. Idk I feel like I keep going back to the same place better to ask forgiveness for banning innocents than permission to weed out terf/stupididpol bad faith actors.
One big issue is that accepting that you will fuck over some innocent users with aggressive bans doesn't just drive away those that get caught up in it. It drives others away that know those people as good posters.
You can have a perfectly safe space for trans but it will only have 200 users and even then it'll only last for a few weeks before the community fractures over some issue.
Have you been on a trans-focused discord server? It's a shitshow.
I have and I'll assume you are stating that discord as a medium is drama prone rather than the misogynistic implication that trans focused servers are shitshows.
Again if they are committed to building solidarity they will have grace for the admins who mistakenly ban in pursuit of greater good, imo
Again, I've already stated that the immediate issue at hand can be solved with a change to the site UI. Banning innocent users isn't necessary, but its feeling like some mods and users want to do it anyway just to prove a point
Again as far as I know those are back end changes that take time and in the meantime LGBT users are leaving because of the inaction. It's a rock and a hard place but as privileged comrades the cis-het need to accept an inconvenience in order to lift up LGBT comrades.
It's what i mean by the emotional and mental effort. So rather than trans people feeling horrid at what is occurring a cis person needs to spend a bit of extra attention making sure they dont accidentally downvote or at worst message a mod on an easy to make new account, "hey i got banned but dont think I've downvoted trans stuff, what's up?" Bam it gets sorted, so I defer to this issue being one based in cisexism
Honestly I'm logging off for a while. This site used to be a decent place to fuck off during breaks at work and stuff. Users now constantly assume bad faith. Constant fights. It's getting more and more insular. It's been getting worse over the past several months.
I hope the devs can fix the UI, but it honestly seems like some mods and users want to maintain the problem so they can fester in the drama.
Yeah good faith is difficult to discern in an online space and with bad faith comes the terf dogwhistles that can look similar. The conflating of race and gender and abolition of gender are both such things. Idk I feel like I keep going back to the same place better to ask forgiveness for banning innocents than permission to weed out terf/stupididpol bad faith actors.
One big issue is that accepting that you will fuck over some innocent users with aggressive bans doesn't just drive away those that get caught up in it. It drives others away that know those people as good posters.
You can have a perfectly safe space for trans but it will only have 200 users and even then it'll only last for a few weeks before the community fractures over some issue.
Have you been on a trans-focused discord server? It's a shitshow.
I have and I'll assume you are stating that discord as a medium is drama prone rather than the misogynistic implication that trans focused servers are shitshows.
Again if they are committed to building solidarity they will have grace for the admins who mistakenly ban in pursuit of greater good, imo
Again, I've already stated that the immediate issue at hand can be solved with a change to the site UI. Banning innocent users isn't necessary, but its feeling like some mods and users want to do it anyway just to prove a point
Again as far as I know those are back end changes that take time and in the meantime LGBT users are leaving because of the inaction. It's a rock and a hard place but as privileged comrades the cis-het need to accept an inconvenience in order to lift up LGBT comrades.
It's what i mean by the emotional and mental effort. So rather than trans people feeling horrid at what is occurring a cis person needs to spend a bit of extra attention making sure they dont accidentally downvote or at worst message a mod on an easy to make new account, "hey i got banned but dont think I've downvoted trans stuff, what's up?" Bam it gets sorted, so I defer to this issue being one based in cisexism
Honestly I'm logging off for a while. This site used to be a decent place to fuck off during breaks at work and stuff. Users now constantly assume bad faith. Constant fights. It's getting more and more insular. It's been getting worse over the past several months.
I hope the devs can fix the UI, but it honestly seems like some mods and users want to maintain the problem so they can fester in the drama.
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