• kavila [any]
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      4 years ago

      adrian zenz is unreliable because he doesn't speak chinese and claims shit like millions are being forced to pick cotton based on "data analysis"

      that the chinese government is mass-interning uighurs is not up for debate. I mean, OP is an official tweet bragging about re-educating them.

        • kavila [any]
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          4 years ago

          I'm saying "vocational training" is a thought-terminating euphemism and there is a lot more going on, much of which you might not agree with. Your arguments are only valid if you believe the chinese government 100%, which I don't, and I think anyone would be stupid to.

            • kavila [any]
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              4 years ago

              it's like saying "I need a specific accusation of how DHS is mistreating the kids in cages". You don't throw thousands of people in camps for job training. So how about this:

              nobody in there had a choice.

              • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                4 years ago

                You do actually need specific accusations if you mean things other than like being put in a place where your movement is restricted is unpleasant, if there is "a lot more going on" you need specific claims of what more is going on because otherwise you dont have anything to back up your argument with.

                • kavila [any]
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                  4 years ago

                  I'm sorry but after someone said "East Turkmenistan" I'm done with this thread. I don't think anybody here has the slightest idea what they're talking about.

                  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                    4 years ago

                    Very convenient then, that you should not have to back up your claims of "there is a lot more going on" once directly challenged, but whatever.

                • kavila [any]
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                  4 years ago

                  East Turkmenistan

                  lol goddamn nobody here has any idea what they're talking about do they?

                  absolutely nowhere in this thread did I say East Turkmenistan, East Turkestan or Uighurstan should be autonomous. I didn't give any suggestions at all. I just said it's fucked up and supporting China in this endeavor is not very leftist.

                  • Catiline [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    lol goddamn nobody here has any idea what they’re talking about do they?

                    You, specifically. It's pretty absurd how you know that terrorism is a legitimate issue in Xinijang and there's absolutely nothing credible suggesting that the Chinese government is doing anything but genuinely attempting to deradicalize and provide vocational training for people afflicted by religious extremism. Yet, you just have some hunch that the spooky Chinese people have to be doing something sinister?

                    I've actually -- believe it or not -- read some of the cables/documents known as the 'Xinijiang Cables' that Western media flouted as irrevocable 'proof' of 'Uighur Concentration Camps.' Let's look at some of the horrendous excerpts.

                    In the "combination boxing" and "three battles and one war" struggle to fight against terrorism and maintain stability, it is a strategic, critical and long-term measure to focus on free vocational skills education and training for key personnel. In order to thoroughly implement the relevant decision-making arrangements of the party committee of the autonomous region, further strengthen and standardize the work of the vocational skill training centers (hereinafter referred to as ‘training centers’), ensure the absolute safety of the training venue, improve the quality and efficiency of education and training, maximize education, save and protect key personnel, and promote the social stability and long-term stability of the whole of Xinjiang, based on relevant laws and regulations and based on Article 12 of the previous guidance on education and training, we again bring up the following opinions. First, ensure that the training venue is absolutely safe

                    1. Adhere to the comprehensive combination of personnel defense and technological defense to strictly implement measures meeting requirements to prevent escape, noise, earthquakes, fire, and epidemics. It is strictly forbidden for police to enter the student zone with guns, and they must never allow escapes, never allow trouble, never allow attacks on staff, **never allow abnormal deaths, never allow food safety incidents and major epidemics, and they must ensure that the training center is absolutely safe and free of risk. **
                    1. Family education. Through letter writing, phone calls, video chats, visits, meetings, meals, etc., establish a mechanism for students and relatives to interact with each other, to ensure that the students will have a phone conversation with their relatives at least once a week, and meet via video at least once a month, to make their family feel at ease and the students feel safe. Pay attention to the ideological problems and emotional changes that arise after family communications, and do a good job of timely ideological guidance. Explore the establishment of two-way teaching and two-way point system for local schools, and promote the transformation of students' education.

                    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6558510-China-Cables-Telegram-English.html