If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
End of thread.
There is no such thing as overpopulation if we can simply utilize renewable resources. There are no hard caps
Are the resources of this planet finite, or infinite?
There are a million ways to solve the environmental crisis that aren't ecofascism, but everyone consumes some amount of resources, which means no matter how efficiently everyone lives we will at some point hit environmental limits.
They are finite but renewable resources are not. What is finite is space but that’s effectively infinite
We're so far away from everyone being able to live on 100% renewable resources that it's out of the question in the short term. And while space is effectively infinite, developing that space to be human-habitable uses additional resources and creates additional environmental strains.
We are that far away living under capitalism, yes. You are certainly correct.
But this isn’t necessarily only about the here and now, but about looking forward into what a world which supports a fully socialist society would look like and in that society there can not (and will not) be overpopulation which is why talking about it as a here and now issue is also not helpful, seeing as we aren’t overpopulated but over-consuming
As we learned with climate change, the best time to take action on global issues is decades before they're "here and now" problems. If this is even on the horizon we should be talking about it as if it should be addressed immediately, because waiting until we need drastic action right away (i.e., where we are now with climate change) risks cataclysm.
Say you had a magic wand that could reshape the world's economy, resource distribution, political structure, etc. You eliminate excessive consumption and give everyone on the planet at least a decent standard of living. Say the planet's carrying capacity at this level of per capita consumption is 16 billion -- just over double the current global population. Are we better off talking about how to humanely stay within that environmental limit today, or in 50 years when the population is 15 billion?
We can talk about it all we want now, but we can not do anything about it and capitalist society never will. The question is a great hypothetical but irrelevant in application because no pattern of consumption will remain intact