Also I just gotta say as a gay dude that I didn't totally see what the moral outrage was over porn and then I saw what the straight people are doing and Jesus Christ it's fucked up. I'm never shocked now when I hear a former performer complain about a lack of safety, respect, or consent on set. Gay stuff has its massive problems too but holy fuck it's like a sexual assault factory on the straight side.
I remember reading that porn is the basic form of 'ceci n'est pas une pipe', in that you have to remember it's a very visual representation, devoid of the sensations, the thoughts inside those participating, smell, touch and so on. Someone suggested that it's why kink is so overrepped, because visually BDSM is so beautiful.
Noooo it's actually a totally normal sexual fantasy to fuck your stepsister who's stuck under the bed what are you talking about????
Yeah so what the fuck is up with all the straight porn with guys fucking a woman who's stuck in something
I don't know, i stopped watching porn because that kind of shit is everywhere
My take on sex work is like that of guns--the problem is the industry and not the individual.
The more pervasively shitty part of it is their compensation structure. So many people perform and then have zero rights to their image after and any residuals on top of that. I have a friend who performed in one scene 15 years ago, and they STILL use his picture to promote porn all over.
Stopped consuming porn after seeing a post with statistics about how common abuse and lack of consent are (e.g. an actress agreeing to xyz but then being pressured to do something extra halfway through the shoot, being told she won't get paid at all if she refuses). I'm sure there's ethically produced porn too, but I can't be bothered doing the research.. or paying for it lol. Plus tbh I prefer written erotica anyway sooo
I also think it's pretty hard to separate depictions of women in porn from our patriarchal society: that is, I feel like a lot of porn depicts the degradation of women because of the society we live in, but then those depictions definitely help perpetuate it. It feels like a cycle. To me, porn as a concept is neutral, but porn in our fucked up society is mostly negative.
This is why I only jack off to hand drawn pictures of bimbofied Lenin.
Don't a bunch of gay films use straight actors or is that an urban legend? If that's true that's pretty messed up even without relying on a homophobic reactionary take.
Oh it's true, it's called gay for pay. Worse yet, gay fans often mock straight performers, claiming they can't be "really" gay if they're having sex with men.
claiming they can’t be “really” gay if they’re having sex with men
Explain this, I'm not sure what you mean
Seeing sex work as something specifically exploitative and debasing is deeply middle class. People participating in that industry may see it as no more exploitative than alternative jobs available to them. But to the middle-class spirit sexual honour is some higher virtue and infringing upon it is the greatest shame imaginable.
Not to detract from the righteous anger against an exploitative industry. Just trying to bring attention to an ideological angle which inevitable influences discussion of the sex industry.
Sadly, there is no ethical cumsumption under capitalism
srs: Yea the industry is fucked up. But there are ethical porn production companies out there like Bellessa, etc
Bellessa is good. Even though it's founded as a porn site catering to women (and I'm a straight cis male) I prefer it immensely over the other alternatives. It removes a lot of the gross seedy-ness that pervades other porn sites, and seems to handle the business with some class.
I can't really think of any on the gay side except for some of the really small amateur ones
Yeah, I find a hell of a lot of porn- esp. straight porn, incredibly disturbing. I want porn which isn't produced in such a deeply fucked up and exploitative industry, but I I would say that about any product. No ethical consumption right, but particularly a lot of porn. But a secondary problem I have is what is portrayed seems incredibly fucked up often, pushing really toxic notions of beauty standards and gender roles, but this problem seems more embedded in our broader societal understandings of these concepts, and thus capitalism etc. Idk what my point is exactly, butt I just want to their that out there
Insert commodity is difficult to enjoy in the context of capitalism
