What happened when the real lord of the flies story unfolded? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-mano-totau-survivor-story-shipwreck-tonga-boys-ata-island-peter-warner
Ohhhh that’s right. They all worked with eachother and used their best skills to take care of the group.
Hey didn't know about it. It's common sense yes, but there really are sicko kids like the one in the book who creates all the shitstorm.
I might been one of those...
All humans adapt to their environment. Some kids act out more than others, but that’s usually because they’re in need of positive attention.
This is true as hell. I was bullied as a kid and I turned into a bit of a bully myself. Figured I'd throw somebody down under me so that I wasn't the lowest rung on the ladder. Kid logic can be cruel as hell. Luckily I grew out of that garbage when I left Middle School. It's definitely a positive attention thing. When I grew out of that phase I started to be more confident about embracing what I liked to do while stuck at school that wasn't schoolwork: drawing things in my notebooks. People took notice and would tell me how much they liked what I was doing and it gave me a lot of confidence in myself. I could still "be myself" and not the fake bully me that I had invented as a suit of armor.
There are definitely some sociopaths though, and they can really fuck things up for everyone if they aren’t stopped... see: our society.
Yeah sociopathy is a real disorder that people suffer through. We should help them like we would anyone else who suffers from mental health illnesses.
The struggle is when society actually rewards the illness, so they never see it as a problem because they never see a reason to seek treatment.
Similar to narcissism. It’s awful to be around someone who is narcissistic (not egotistical). But one of the most prestigious jobs in our society is small business tyrant. So people who suffer from narcissism gain material benefits by not seeking help for a illness that destroys relationships and actively harms everyone around them on a daily basis, including themselves.
There is also the thing that we ought to organize society in a way that no children, no partner, no one has to deal with the power narcists etc. create and try to hold over you.
Instead it ought to be organized that people are free to withdraw and have collective bonds who are created by groups of people who are not manipulated by narcissists etc.
As the feral child in the scenario, I just loved fighting, and loved being known for fighting. Stemmed from a lot of pent up anger and aggression from various traumas I think. Was good fun mind you.
You would have successfully indoctrinated your elementary school class like Charles Manson, and provoked them into murdering the remaining classmates while doing tribal dances around a pig's head?
I guess you were a very talented kid.
Children are more prone to commit murder than average people to participate in some slight praxis
In all fairness, breaktimes when I was a kid were without fail just an excuse for me to rile everyone up and have a big fight. If I was stuck on that island I probably definitely would've eaten a kid to thunderous applause from the pack.
I'm alright now, but back then I was a nutcase to say the least.
of mice and men was required reading if that makes up for lotf in any way
I may be a tankie, but I defended anarchism in school when we were forced to read this and the teacher was going on about how the theme is "anarchy bad".
What? Fucking no. The big message is "if you obey a narcissistic authoritarian sociopaths shit's gonna hit the fan" and it can be twisted a little to say "so, did you know kids that most world leaders are actually like the sicko kid?"
Kill the author. The effect of prep schools on kids seems like a better message to take from it anyway.
Maybe I'm confusing the book with the 1963 movie, but I thought it said they were from some sort of prep or boarding school.
In my school, we were taught that the author modeled the kids after the children that he has taught, and that he hated these fucking kids.
the book was forcing some selfish view of humanity down our throats
Ironically there was a real case of kids getting stranded on an island only to be rescued a year and a bit later, and you know what? They actually worked together and made it a rule that they would never drag out any hostilities, that they would resolve them and never take it any further.
EDIT: You can still find the true story if you google 'real lord of the flies kids'
lord of the flies is hobbesian, randian garbage and by far the worst book I was forced to read. even when I was a kid I knew the book was forcing some selfish view of humanity down our throats. I hope it’s no longer required reading for kids now.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
Golding was a strange one alright. Got lucky with my teacher apparently cos they said from the outset that it's an allegory and isn't supposed to be read as real. She also pointed out and highlighted that it was Golding's religious beliefs in stuff like origonal sin that led him to basically believe the worst in people in their natural state. She also highlighted how it's also kinda demeaning primative tribal societies as pagan and brutal.
Only other thing I know about Golding is that he had a breakdown as a young man, hooked up with some woman and they lived in a room at a retirement home his parents owned. Dunno why that stuck with me. Prob just the mental image.
I really don't know what's the take away besides "eh things can get really shitty if there's a psycopath/sociopath in the room or worse leading shit". I enjoyed it cuz it was weird and totally different from what they have made us read so far
even when I was a kid I knew the book was forcing some selfish view of humanity down our throats
haha you should have gone Lord of the Flies on your PMC teacher
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It was more anti-Utopian, a response to the Coral Island which was about three boys stranded on an island who create a paradise.
the book was forcing some selfish view of humanity down our throats
I mean... humans are selfish. You don't need a book to tell you that. And any Saudi Prince or Guaidoian Liberal can demonstrate how it isn't just the English.
I think Brits and Americans focus entirely too heavily on dystopia. But I can't blame them, given the state of their respective nations.
"Oy, yu see vat litol ragamuffin? Yu fink e's a litol blessin', bot deep da'wn e's a monstah!"
TFW you identify with the fat kid who gets a boulder dropped on his head :deeper-sadness:
We have empirical evidence what happens when half a dozen kids shipwreck on a deserted island for 15 month.
They are fine and create a better society than they came from.
Which makes sense. Then we can ignore the people arguing with Lords of the Flies finally. Except for the part where you read it as Brits colonizing, then it isn't about kids but capitalism and such.
If he was alright, why was he the only character who said the N word? Checkmate liberal :expert-shapiro:
wait, really?
I don't remember that part
Were there black people in Lord of the Flies? I thought they were all pompous white british kids from a fancy school?
Why did that even come up during the story?
iirc just before the other kids kill him he tells them to stop being so uncivilised and has a gamer moment in the process
oh, I don't remember that, I read it in spanish, maybe the translator toned it down.
